Talk:Jean-Marie Speich

Resume, style, Family Speich
Hello,

There were too many sections which appeared like a resumé. For instance «Assignments in the Diplomatic Service of the Holy See ( Vatican )», «Special Missions in the Diplomatic Service of the Holy See», and diverse Honours. It’s not a biographical article now /o\.

To my mind the family’s history is too long for a such biography. We mays split the article in two : one for the Speich’s family (Family Speich?) and one for Mgr Jean-Marie Speich.

I apologize my level in english (I’m coming from the french WP), best regards, --O-Mann (talk) 21:55, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Objection to edits of User:Dl2000
For User:Dl2000

Thank you for your observations regarding the Bibliography of Archbishop Jean-Marie speech.

But I am reverting the article to my previous edit because:

1. The Episcopal genealogy of Archbishop Speich is a continuation of the episcopal genealogy of Pope Francis. Before you could have deleted this contribution, you could have inquired first from the contributor. This is the reason why we have talk pages in every usage page.

2. There was already a citation regarding the other diplomatic assignments of Mons. Speich,i.e., his official curriculum vitae. This contributor created the pertinent article and knows the subject very well, who supplied this contributor with the document cited. Before you could have deleted the section, you could have asked for supplementary reference materials to satisfy what you wish to contribute.

Thank you.

Sulbud (talk) 07:18, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

A matter of style: On the question regarding separating sections from this article.
The edits of all those concerned about contributing toward a more informative data regarding the subject is very much appreciated. However, deletion of important data from the article does not seem fair when citations, insufficient in form as some may appear to certain editors, are already provided.

What to include, so long as these pertain to the subject, is a matter of style. Wikipedia does not indicate how long should a biographical article be. It does not prohibit to include the subject's family history which, in the humble opinion of this contributor, is also interesting.

It is true that some sections of this article could be developed into independent articles. That is another question, which other interested contributors could do, if they have sufficient reasons. But, in so far that these sections are related to the subject, I can see no reason why these should be omitted from this article.

--212.77.3.210 (talk) 07:54, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Objection to the deletion of the coat of arms of Archbishop Jean-Marie Speich
Archbishop Jean-Marie Speich objects to the deletion of his official coat of arms. The Apostolic Nuncio does not wish any modification in his coat of arms, especially the addition of a band with his motto. Mons. Speich follows the centuries-old tradition of his family of not including personal motto in their heraldic symbols. With due respect to the creator of the current coat of arms posted in his Wikipedia biography, the Archbishop expresses displeasure with the rendition of such coat of arms. --Sulbud (talk) 09:10, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest
This article seems to have largely been written by one editor, who by their own admission has a close relationship with the subject, I note the comments above. This seems to be a serious violation of WP:COI Paul    Bradbury  11:28, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Despite the bulk of reference materials cited, it is observable that certain contributors are aggressively trying to place undue tags in this article.

Some claim that knowing (a close relationship with) the subject personally, would be tanamount to serious violation against being objective in writing about the person in question. This will be true if a contributor includes information that are unsubstantiated with suitable reference materials. However, it seems more biased if one deletes contirbutions of wikipedians without substantial support to contrary claims, at least by pointing out objective reference materials; or worse, to places tags for some kind of paranoid reason. It is an insult to sensibilities of contributors who include information substantiated by citations, when such presumptive tags and comments are stamped on wikipedia articles.

On the otherhand, contributors who know the subject personally are more knoweledgeable about this subject.

For this reason, I remove the tag placed by  Bradbury  on 17 August 2015.--Northern Lights 2000 (talk) 10:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

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The lower part of the page suggests he's still in Ghana. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.147.89.128 (talk) 10:17, 7 August 2020 (UTC)