Talk:Jimmy Launders

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Non-notable —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack1956 (talk • contribs)

I beg your pardon? He's the only person to do what he did. Also, I'm going to Assume Good Faith here since I was expecting something like that to happen, but next time I may not. --Whsitchy 18:07, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Need bio details
Hi, I added significant biographical detail. I am still trying to track down even more detail, but there is not a lot of biographical information on Fast Jimmy even though he continued to serve in the RN until his death in 1988 (as an instructor, retired officially in the 60's). The guy was brilliant according to his contemporaries, as well as brave, cunning, clever, a great leader, and all of the qualities one would hope that a RN officer would have. One would expect that the RN would have publicized him a bit more as the archetypical RN officer.

I have written to the authorities in the UK at the RN and independent historical societies, but to date have received only one response and that wasn't helpful at all. Being in here in the States the task is a bit more difficult since I'm not as familiar with their government offices, don't know anyone in the Navy over there, etc.

If anyone has sources for further details, please either update the page or let me know the source and I'll do the work. In particular, details about his birth, family, where he grew up, schooling, his career work after the war, his role in developing the UK and NATO's submarine capabilities, any publications, work that he did in developing either RN or NATO doctrine, any further incidents in which he was involved during the Cold War, and the specific circumstances are all really important details that are necessary to make this article on par with other bios. Thanks in advance! Srajan01 22:40, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Jimmy Launders was a full 4 ring Captain of HMS Forth,7th Submarine Squadron, in Singapore while I served on Forth as an Engine Room Artificer,1969 to late 1970.¬¬¬¬ Dave Clark

May I add to the above? I was also serving as a PO Electrician in the Forth when Jimmy Launders was the captain. He was a fine man and a good leader. In one occasion, whilst day-dreaming, I ran into the back of his wife's car. No-one was injured and I - clearly at fault - offered to pay for the damage (still not knowing who the driver was). Sometime later, I was invited to the captain's cabin where he thanked me for the way I had acted after the incident.

Lieutenant E C Coleman RN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.149.16 (talk) 18:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Forth?
Mr. Clark, thank you for that information, but I didn't see it in his service jacket that I received from the Royal Navy - was he commanding the Forth, or simply on-board in a non-command or unofficial capacity? Thanks! Srajan01 03:37, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Jimmy Launders was full 4 ring Captain in Command of HMS Forth,also Captain 7th Submarine squadron based in Singapore. dates 1968 - late 1970.He wanted to bring Forth back to UK,when the RN left Singapore for good in 1971,but the powers that be said not. Later on he was ADC to HM the Queen- until about 1974. I concur with another contributor - a real gentleman. Dave Clark —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.5.108.194 (talk) 19:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

"What If..." section
The above-named section goes into interminable, flatulent detail about a number of quite irrelevant, even wholly unrelated, matters (the Bay of Pigs is even mentioned at one point) almost to the point of non sequitor. A seemingly impulsive and spontaneous riff on the topic of late-war Japanese jet fighters has - I'll put this bluntly - bugger all to do with the subject-person at hand, and is little more than exposition/interpretation ad absurdum. Would there be any objection to serious pruning if not outright deletion of this? I'm not putting myself forward for the job, no ta.

There's some great information on Venturer and Jimmy Launders, but the waffling speculation doesn't seem to have a place here.--84.69.174.49 (talk) 22:56, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I completely agree. The "What If..." addendum is irrelevant and unrelated. Part of me wonders whether it should be moved to HMS_Venturer_%28P68%29, but I don't think it fits there either. If there was any way in which this could possibly be seen as a motive to his actions then it could be included by a slim margin, but as it is it's just self-indulgent speculation.


 * I'm going to delete this in a couple of days if I hear no defence to the contrary. OBM | blah blah blah 16:52, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Merge?
There was a tag here to merge this article ( or maybe a section of it) to Operation Caesar. There was no expalnation/justification here or there, and as it's been tagged for about a year with no comment one way or the other, I've removed it. Xyl 54 (talk) 12:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

PS To be formal about it, I oppose a merger; this article is about a person, thta one is about a military operation. Xyl 54 (talk) 12:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Action of 6 February 1945
I will be merging a lot of this section into Action of 6 February 1945 just to let people know and as such Operation Caesar will also be merged into that section Pfifer11 (talk) 16:13, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Then I suggest you need to put in some merge proposal tags and give a rationale (and have a read of WP:MERGE!). Xyl 54 (talk) 01:05, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mungo Shuntbox (talk • contribs) 12:56, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

This is a copy and past from the U 864 entry I made on discussion; plse have a look at The Action of 9 February for the rest.

I have written at length in the "Action of 9 February" section from U 864 about various technical aspects of this hunt. One that concerns me here is whether Wolfram actually knew he was under attack at all. Looking at the British evidence, I surmise that Wolfram was running snorkel up - hence the diesel noises that Venturer heard - and wonder whether what the British RN officer thought was a periscope was in fact the snorkel head. The u-boat could have already been zigzagging when contact was made - it would take a while using hydrophones to establish this. The main thing for me is that if Wolfram thought he had company, the easiest way to disappear would be to turn to the e-motors, lower the snorkel and slowly dive and turn then disappear into the dark. My feelings are that this narrative here is incorrect.

Any opinions?

Mungo Shuntbox (talk) 12:56, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

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