Talk:Joachim Fest

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It would be useful to know the dates the books were published, if anyone has that info.Michael Dorosh 05:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

In the back cover of Plotting Hitler's Death, it say Joachim was "drafted" when he was 15, not 18, as it says in this article. I don't know which age is the right one.--204.60.103.130 00:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't say that in my edition of Plotting Hitler's Death. He was born in 1926 so he was 15 in 1941 and 18 in 1944. All the biographical articles I've seen say he served only in the last months of the war. Further, 15yos were not being drafted in 1941. In fact I don't think 15yos per se were ever drafted. In 1945, in some places, HJ units were pressed into service regardless of age, but Fest was never in the HJ. Adam 00:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Works in German?
Are they really necessary here? The German article on Herr Fest, with much more comprehensive list of his works, is just one click away.--Barbatus 17:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

number of germans playing hitler films
I changed it to read 'third'. In the Downfall (film) article I changed it to read 'fourth german playing hiter' because in that article it does not mention "feature" films. I dont think Hitler - ein Film aus Deutschland was such a film and more an art house movie but it was definately a German production. See imdb credits. There have been actually more than this figure of German productions showing Hitler and/or with Germans playing Hitler. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.29.231.97 (talk) 09:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

Hitler, eine Karriere
This article does not describe Fest collaborating to make the film Hitler, eine Karriere by Herrendoerfer. At that time Wenders also criticized Fest for helping to whitewash and for projecting his strange theories onto a wider audience. In fact, criticism of Fest is not represented here at all. Either for his attempt to make an equality between German and suffering of Jews, or for helping rehabilitate Speer. But on googling a little I discover that the article borrows heavily from a sympathetic obituary from the Guardian newspaper. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.29.231.97 (talk) 10:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

large studio portrait of Hitler should be changed
Having a large photo of Hitler in a biographical essay about Joachim Fest-- a photo three times the size of Fest's own photo-- is troubling, like having a large photo of Charlie Manson in the bio of the woman he had killed, Sharon Tate. Very poor taste, to say the least. I was going to propose, "At least cut the thing down to the same size as the Fest photo and the well-placed Cambodian genocide photo," but then I wondered, "Is it there in case a reader doesn't know who the name 'Hitler' refers to?" Pointless to include it at all. Such a heroic studio portrait on top of that, shot from a crouch to give the little fellow stature. Switch it for a small, unglamorized news photo of Hitler; or a photo of what Hitler did, the consequences; perhaps, to parallel the Cambodia photo, of a concentration camp.Profhum (talk) 20:14, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

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Recent criticism of Fest
I have added some of the recent criticisms of Fest's works to the article. There are several citations for this on the German WP page on Fest, but these are all in German. Another source is Winfried Heinemann's article in https://www.bundeswehr.de/de/organisation/weitere-bmvg-dienststellen/zentrum-militaergeschichte-sozialwissenschaften/20-juli-1944-86902, also in German. Martijn Meijering (talk) 19:25, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Persistent edit-warring by IP
This continuous edit-warring by ever-changing IPs is getting tiresome. Could we get indefinite semi-protection on both the article page and this page? Martijn Meijering (talk) 13:56, 5 January 2022 (UTC)


 * @ — I added a request at WP:RFPP; hopefully that’ll solve it. — 3PPYB6 — T ALK — C ONTRIBS  — 14:00, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Martijn Meijering (talk) 14:19, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm sad that this is your undemocratic thing but you have to stop your NPOV on wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.16.166.159 (talk) 14:05, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for finally engaging on this Talk page. If you make an account and abide by the rules we can still discuss any concerns you may have even after semi-protection has been applied. If you have valid concerns, people will no doubt be willing to accommodate them. It's only your unilateralism against an existing consensus that gets you systematically reverted.
 * As for your specific concern: NPOV doesn't mean not citing praise or criticism, it means reporting controversies/debates objectively, which is what the article does. The article doesn't say whether the praise and criticisms are correct, it merely reports objectively what they are. Martijn Meijering (talk) 14:25, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

This disruption is part of User:Beyond My Ken/Brescia LTA. Favonian (talk) 09:15, 6 January 2022 (UTC)