Talk:Joachim Wtewael

Pronunciation
Anyone know how the last name's pronounced (and can get a source...)? Q·L·1968 ☿ 18:58, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Sort of "Ootievaal" Johnbod (talk) 13:59, 16 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Well...try a-ee-tuh-wahl, with the "a-ee" as a single syllable and the "w" not too rounded — but not a v, please. And the "W" at the beginning of his name is just, as any W, a ligature of two Vs (so: V V) which again is the same as two Us (so: U U). His name thus really was Uutewaal, but the doubling of the U was rendered by putting a "y" or an "i" behind the first "u": Uytewaal of Uitewaal. And the doubling of the "a" was at the time written as "ae": Uytewael or Uitewael. It's all quite simple, really.--MWAK (talk) 06:54, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * "Ootievaal" conveys better to me how Dutch people sound saying it. It would be good to get one of those sound-bite things added. Johnbod (talk) 12:07, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I can understand the "v", as the unrounded w sounds identical to adult English speakers. But Dutch uu and ui are totally different sounds from "oo". Unless you speak Cockney, of course :o). The e in "te" is an unstressed vowel and is basically identical to the English schwa.--MWAK (talk) 17:25, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * So in other words, Wtewael is ; is that right? Q·L·1968 ☿ 20:14, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, it is rather more complicated. Modern members of the Wtewael family pronounce their name as . This reflects mediaeval pronunciation, still common in eastern Dutch dialects, and the fact that the W is simply a "uu". So the article is correct in providing this pronunciation. But in modern Dutch the word would normally be spelled Uitewaal, indeed pronounced as, and not using sounds overly alien to the English tongue, if you know which they are ;o).--MWAK (talk) 06:15, 2 June 2015 (UTC)