Talk:Joe Satriani/Archive 1

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Archive 1

what the hell?

there are numerous t-shirts to that effect? well, that proves it for me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.143.189 (talk) 17:48, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Joe Didn't Just Go From Teacher to Performer Extrordinaire

There is no mention in this article about Joe's pre "success" days. He used to rule the SF Bay Area and especially the Berkeley scene in the early 80's (1980-1983)with a 3 piece band called the "Squares". I saw the "Squares" at Diablo Valley College's Duck Pond Concert Series (Pleasant Hill, CA) one afternoon in 1982 or 83, The Stage in Danville, CA and The Keystone Berkeley several times and other places I can't remember. The venues were always packed and Joe had long hair and used to even sing back then! It was fun! There were always good looking gals there too!

I remember this one tune where the crowd at the Keystone Berkeley would just errupt and be bouncing up and down and singing along"...whoa..whoa...whoa...follow my heart...follow my heart...It was way different from what he does today. But because it was Joe...it was awesome! I can't remember who was on bass...but I know Jeff Campatelli was on drums.

If there is anyone that remembers all the details about this era please include it. I think this stuff is just as important as who he taught. He influenced the music in the SF Bay Area by more than just teaching guitar...and much earlier than most people realize. He deserves props for it! In the early 80's even if you didn't take lessons from Joe...all the local guitarists were watching his fingers very closely. As a member of the Squares his influence was huge in the Bay Area! The kids today have no idea! There are other dimensions to Joe's playing that we don't hear much of today. The early 80's were a transitional period musically. Joe handled it very well. (138.32.32.166 (talk) 11:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC))

Leath?

Why on Earth is Joe Satriani called Leath in the first section of the article?????? 165.123.140.215 19:35, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Amps from Space?

Hello,

I can't see any reference anywhere else about that album. Googling it only brings me to that page. A valid source should be mentioned. Gobelet 22:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Notable student confusion

Not sure where the anons confusion is coming from? I clarified the paragraph to split his teaching duties between NY and Berkley.

He taught many students in Long Island....the most notable being Steve Vai.

THEN...He moved to California to seek a music career. He also continued teaching. He made many students, the most notable being...(see article for list)

His 2 different teaching stints in NY and Cal. are completely separate from one another. The intitial reading was confusing. I altered it to maintain clarity. It does not label any one of his students as "most notable" as it did previously.

I will request WikiProjectGuitarist members to review my edit to see if it needs altered more. Anger22 16:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

It looks pretty good to me right now and doesn't seem to ~~infer~~imply any is more notable than any other, I think the sentence might have a few too many commas though. Also, that new picture is a bit strange, it's too large, has no caption, and is of poor quality. I'm not sure the licensing information is right either, it seems to be a snapshot of a television screen and I doubt that you'd be able to claim that as your own. If anyone knows more about it please correct it or me. HeartofGold ^(Searching) 17:17, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you about the photo. Surely his website...or Ibanez' Website has a press release promo shot that's fair use here. If I get time I'll look. Anger22 19:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Now it seems more balanced and factual. Less POV. I am happy and will not edit any more.

Satriani, not Joe

Just a reminder to fans editing this article: following standard encyclopedia style, after the first mention of a person, subsequent single-name references should use their last name (e.g., Satriani) not their first (Joe). - dcljr (talk) 10:29, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

However, all guitarists refer to him as Satriani. I have never heard anybody call him Joe :)

He's actually called Joe most of the time. However, I agree with Dcljr.

Album covers

We can't use fair use album covers in an article about the artist, only in an article about the album. Other use is a copyright violation. Corvus cornix 23:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

He moves into positions on extremely technical passages

What? You mean he stands in a funny way? Someone please clarify this.

I think it means positions on the Fretboard, but I don't know how to phrase it encycopedically.GolumTR 23:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

well...one would imagine the way he keeps his left foot ahead and stands!...

Thunderbirds play Satch

The two times I've been to an airshow (at Kirtland AFB in Albuquerque, NM) where the USAF Thunderbirds flew, the loudspeakers at the edge of the runway were playing Satriani's "Always with Me, Always with You" in a loop. Is this an Albuquerque/Kirtland thing, or a Thunderbird thing? --BlueNight 06:43, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

'In 1992, Satriani released The Extremist, his most critically acclaimed and commercially successful CD to date.'

Not too sure about either of the assertions in that sentence. The first is all but impossible to actually prove, and seems to lean towards a POV. The second may well be true for all I know, but there are no figures attached to prove it. Any thoughts? Blythe49 02:24, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I beleive it is. I am a huge music fan over many styles and The Extremist has to be one of the greatest albums of all time!!! I play along to it every day!!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" Contribs} 18:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, this is false. The above user may like The Extremist more than any other Satriani album, but in reality, Surfing with the Alien is his best selling album. I'm going to delete that BUT I will not add Surfing with the Alien as his best selling album because I don't have a reference. Once I find it, it WILL be up there.

Also, since when does calling an artist a virtuoso qualify as having a point-of-view?

the guitarist project deemed it to be an unencyclopedic fancruft word that makes the article read like a 12 year old's book report rather than an encyclopedia article... and they were very correct in that view. The project has guidelines for it's usage. 156.34.223.171 10:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Instead of insulting me, maybe you and any other Wikipedians who think otherwise should read Wikipedia's own "encyclopedic, up-to-standards" page on the word virtuoso. Let me quote it: "A virtuoso (from Italian virtuoso, late Latin virtuosus, Latin virtus meaning: skill, manliness, excellence) is an individual who possesses outstanding technical ability at singing or playing a musical instrument." You say its unencyclopedic and fancruft to add it to his page, yet it would seem that, by Wikpedia's own virtuoso page, this man fits the bill.

You say "...read like a 12 year old's book report rather than an encyclopedia article...The project has guidelines for it's usage." You know, I think you'd find your kind of grammar IN a 12 year old's book report. I find it highly contradictory that you are insulting that user about leaving virtuoso in when you are making mistakes a 12 year old would make.

That the artist is considered to be a virtuoso has never been questioned. It is the concensus of a Wiki-project that the term can be be used if project guidelines are followed. Project concensus is that the peacock term can't go in the lead section. It can be included in an "influence" or "guitar style" section w. an attached ref. This is how it has been added into other guitarist articles. 156.34.237.192 10:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Gear

Is there any particular reason the Boss pedals have 'made in Japan' in front of them when listed? It seems to me to be both clumsy and superfluous, especially as it's done more than once. Doozy88 16:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Remove Criticism?

It's been years since I followed guitar-world gossip, but I don't recall Satriani being criticized as "sterile" or "robotic." If we don't have citations for those quotations, they should be deleted. Moreover, I don't recall Satriani being often criticized at all -- so the entire paragraph is misleading. Many guitarists were criticized for being too technical (e.g., Steve Vai, John Petrucci, etc.), but Satriani wasn't foremost among them. The paragraph makes it seem as if Satriani is controversial. Cribcage 06:13, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hear hear! Sterile and robotic? I've editted the passage concerned. Satriani is a consumate master of tone, he can squeeze every nuance of feeling out of his strings. I can't qualify this objectively but as somebody who used to play guitar 10 hours a day I think I'm entitled to say that Satriani is the greatest electric guitarist of all time. There are players who are faster, more ambidextrous etc but they're nothing like the musician he is. To overstress his technical accomplishment shifts emphasis unfairly away from his abillity to write tunes that are staggeringly beautiful. I'm not so keen on his albums since 95 but "surfing with the alien" alone contains several lifetimes worth of achievement.Andrew F. 00:24, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

A typical Satriani songs is sterile and robotic... the rhythm and pace is unvarying. There's no ebb and flow, no surprises, no interesting structure. His stuff just doesn't transport me. The guitar work is amazing but there's a lack of feeling. Just my 2 cents. Moksha 06:27, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Are you missing something? Just listen to Always with Me, Always with You and tell me his songs lack feeling. Not to mention the totally unexpected transition to a whole separate key a minute or so into it. 69.37.41.246 04:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

What? Are you on something maby?? Look, ..this is nuts. As the above posters said, there's a whole list of guitarists that could be criticized over beeing "sterile" but that I would ever hear someone say that Satriani is "sterile" is, ..well, seriously man, ..nuts! (by all means.) I mean, if you want to criticize Joe there are perhaps loads of other things, don't know, maby clothing, lack of new ideas in the past 10 years, lately going little too "mainstream" in sound (electronic sounds!) and so on, ..but "sterile" or "robotic" ..huh? If what's bugging you maby the "clear" sounds of just a few songs on "Surfing with an alien", keep in mind that it's an end studio recording and has nothing to do with his playing style (if some string scratches were removed in studio). As for the "no surprises" part - well ..here you're totally off the track and I have no idea what you're talking about, ..honestly. As an end note: I am not registered here nor do I have any intention to do so or edit the article in any way, so if it gets edited, it was not me. However, I think there will be other posts below and we'll see about the "sterile" and "robotic" opinion from other people..

I agree. Satriani's approach seems more like a fusion of technique and melody, but never technique for the sake of itself. Vai and Petrucci strike me as a bit more academic in comparison.

There are lots of people who sticks to their guitar hero and perhaps scare to admire other's work. I read quite a few articles about guitarist and i laughed my head off someone said satriani music LACK OF FELLING. THERE IS ONLY ONE GUITARIST WHO PLAYS GUITAR AS IF IT IS SINGING WITH SUCH A PASSION IS DEFINATELY A GREAT jOE SATRIANI

STOP PRESS - some people have different opinions to you. with an artist like this, who describes his own music as "Beautiful", i think it's wholly appropriate to discuss what people who aren't fans of his think. amazing how fans of other musicians can listen to criticism of their favourite acts witha degree of respect and maturity, but if you dare suggest that steve vai or satch arent modern day gods to a guitar geek, THEY SCREAM IN CAPS AND SPELL THINGS WRONG. i think removing the criticism is almost the textbook definition of not being NPOV, especially when the justification is largely because "i think he rocks", or words to that effects. do your homework, there's plenty of people who regard his music as soulless and sterile... perhaps strike a compromise and have a "critical reception" portion of the article? where we could have positive and negative comments about his music.

Of course, someone had to go ahead and find a criticism of Satriani, and then put in in the article. Then again, what kind of Wikipedia article would this be without a criticism in it? Who the hell cares what Gary Moore says anyway??? Might as well put a quote from me in there. I can imagine some 16 year old who dislikes Satriani for some reason (I don't know, maybe because he gets picked on by some kid at school who happens to be a Satriani fan), types "Joe Satriani criticism" into a search engine, hits the "edit page" button at the top of the article, and well....there ya go. What a joke. 69.37.41.246 03:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

"Satriani (like Steve Vai, Yngwie Malmsteen and other guitarists who incorporate speed and technical precision in their playing) has been criticized by those who prefer simpler compositional styles." Obviously someone who doesn't play with speed would criticize someone who does. Therefore, I'm removing the related comment (as well as its desperate proof, the Gary Moore quote) from the article. And the Vai comment after that is uncited, so it goes as well (record sales? concert attendance?). 69.37.41.246 03:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with the removal, as a quote by such a notable person as Gary Moore is relevant. No matter how great an artist someone is, there will be criticism, and it is worth noting. Remember, this isn't a fan site, so we have to forget that we are Joe Satriani fans when editing the article, and strive for a neutral stance. --Slashme 07:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, me again. Maybe Cribcage has a point. I've googled around a bit, and it really doesn't seem to be a common criticism. If someone can find a citation for the Gary Moore quote, we can maybe keep the paragraph, otherwise I'm OK with seeing it deleted.--Slashme 08:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

"It is better for Wikipedia to say nothing on an issue than to present false or misleading material." Unless an opinion is widespread (for example, that many people disagree with President Bush's way of running the country...not like this should be in an encyclopedia article anyway), it is misleading. Anyone could find an opinion held by a minority in the form of a known figure's quote, add it to the article, and change the entire idea that the article was trying to get across. I don't see why an uncited quote has to remain on the main page anyway. Keeping with what Wikipedia says, I'll put it here for further observation, rather than deleting it entirely (which Wikipedia also says could be done for misleading material). Opinions (no matter how widespread and no matter who they may belong to) obviously do nothing to keep an article neutral, let alone one that is supposed to be encyclopedic. Why is criticism material such a big part of Wikipedia anyway? Is it not an encyclopedia?

"Satriani (like Steve Vai, Yngwie Malmsteen and other guitarists who incorporate speed and technical precision in their playing) has been criticized by those who prefer simpler compositional styles. For example, Gary Moore once said that he found Satriani's music "cerebral", saying, "it leaves me cold".^{[citation needed]}"

I left the Vai comment that follwed it, adding it to the next paragraph.

69.118.62.182 17:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

well, almost every album, movie, book, and many other bands/artists have a "critical reception" section, but if you guys cant stand to hear any criticism of one of your heroes... Ljoneill 01:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I would be fighting to keep the criticism in the article, except that I can't really find any reliably cited, notable criticism. There are some online reviews that complain about his style, but that isn't notable, and there is that Gary Moore quote, but that isn't verifiable, so until we have something solid, let's just leave it out. --Slashme 08:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

i would appreciate if anyone fromy the rock instrumental genre could emulate the style,sound and feel of Satch! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.16.138.135 (talk) 13:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Most notable student cont.

I think that Vai is Satriani's most noteable student, and as for fame, Hammett is definatley not 'way more' famous, in fact, he's not more famous than Vai full stop. I think Vai's reputation as a guitar player alone is definatley why he's Satriani's most notable student. It's absolute crazyness to even consider putting Hammett as Satriani's most notable student! Halen061088 08:40, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

erm i'm sorry sir but what ever do you mean, metallica is something like the 7th biggest selling act in american music, Steve Vai is a cult concern, he's not as BIG as kirk. metallica is huge, steve vai and his solo albums simply are not as well known as metallica, end of.

well, unless you can tell me when steve vai was in constant rotation on MTV, headlining festivals, filling arenas, having number one albums...

It doesn't matter whether Metallica is the 7th biggest selling act in American music. For a start, Wikipedia is used by British people too, so being one of the best in America doesn't really count for much. Plus, Joe Satriani is a GUITAR teacher. If you look on most 'Greatest Guitarists' lists, it's almost guaranteed that Steve Vai will be higher than Kirk.

Halen061088 08:40, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

This is partly a semantic problem. It's not meant to be a popularity contest. I believe the intent is to say that, if everyone in the world named everyone they know of who was Satriani's student, Vai's name would come up more often than Kirk's. More people know of Hammett than of Vai, but more people know that Vai studied under Satriani than that Kirk did. At the moment, I cannot think of a way to condense this paragraph into three-word replacement for "most notable student" that removes the ambiguity. --ShaneCarey 22:11, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

List of students

There should be a list of students Satriani trained, it is very important since some of them are very important people right now, Vai, Skolnick, Hammet, etc.

He Never Taught Tim Calvert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Twmp420 (talk • contribs) 05:37, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Sunglasses relevancy

Does anybody know why Joe wears sunglasses on almost every single performance? If so, do you think it's worth mentioning the reason why? I've always been curious as to why he wears them. Halen061088 15:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC) Satriani wears sunglasses during most performances because he feels that he sometimes makes awkward facial expressions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mavro101 (talk • contribs) 09:27, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

"Eleven even" has cracked this entry by changed Satriani into Deegan

Someone named "Eleven even" has cracked this entry by changed Satriani into Deegan, this is really sad. I have tried to fix it back, but i didn't know how. Someone should help to fix this!!!!! Satch Rules!

125.162.49.12 (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Nonsense in the biography...

Hi, I recently noticed what seems to be a load of nonsense in the Joe satriani wiki page. As far as I know, his name is not Peter Deegan, but Joe Satriani. His model guitar is not peter deegan signature guitar, but JS signature guitar. And theres a bit about Dave LaRue, the current bassist missing in the associated acts section. This article used to be perfect. It's been changed or something, and now its all wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.41.254 (talk) 18:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

There is no mention in this article about Joe's pre "success" days. He used to rule the SF Bay Area and especially the Berkeley scene in the early 80's (1980-1983)with a 3 piece band called the "Squares". I saw the "Squares" at Diablo Valley College's Duck Pond Concert Series one afternoon on 1982 or 83, The Stage in Danville and The Keystone Berkeley several times and other places I can't remember. The venues were always packed and Joe had long hair and used to even sing back then! It was fun! There were always good looking gals there.

I remember this one tune where the crowd at the Keystone Berkeley would just errupt and be bouncing up and down and singing along"...whoa..whoa...whoa...follow my heart...follow my heart...It was way different from what he does today. But because it was Joe...it was awesome! I can't remember who was on bass...but I know Jeff Campatelli was on drums.

If there is anyone that remembers all the details about this era please include it. I think this stuff is just as important as who he taught. He influenced the music in the SF Bay Area by more than just teaching guitar...and much earlier than most people realize. He deserves props for it! The kids today have no idea!

Vai most notable student?!

Hey he taught Kirk Hammett. I'm not saying Hammett is better than Vai, but he's certainly way more famous than Vai. Someone should take that out.

I am at the middle about this issue. I reckon when people talk about Joe Satriani, Steve Vai is what comes in mind, so its somewhat true that Steve Vai is the most notable student. I'm not giving my opinion about which one is more famous. - Imoeng 11:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I strongly disagree. Steve Vai being Satriani's most notable student is most definitely your opinion. You said it your self..."You reckon when"... That's as opinion as one gets.

metallica - biggest selling heavy metal group of all time. your mum knows who they are. there's a movie about them. steve vai? largely a cult concern, big within those kind of circles, but to suggest he's bigger than kirk hammett is a questionable conclusion. surely more people know kirk, and kirk is commercially more successful? i think those are the criteria for "Notability" (within the context of popular music). steve vai is probably satch's most prolific & accomplished student.

There's a movie about Vai too. PowerGamer6 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.140.251.193 (talk) 18:28, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah well there's a movie about GG Allin too - does that mean he's as notable as Metallica? No. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.188.50.225 (talk) 04:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

The reason he said that is because you said there's a movie about metallica and therefor they're more popular. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.126.65.31 (talk) 02:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Image:20080612-220324__Joe_Satriani_Rijnhal_Arnhem.jpg was deleted from page

I recently contributed two photographs to the page. One is still on the page, the other one was deleted without warning of for no apparent reason. Does anyone know why? Thanks in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vtpeters (talk • contribs) 08:18, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I removed the picture because it's in the biography section for no reason. It had no explanation for being there, just being a picture of Satriani playing. No encyclopedic value. Feel free to put it on your user page, though. NATO.Caliber (talk) 18:32, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Chickenfoot

In this month's issue of DRUM! magazine, on the last actual page with the small articles, It had an article for the new supergroup assembled called "Chickenfoot". This is a pretty solid source, and I am adding this to all of the other member's pages; Chad Smith, ex-Van Halen Bassist Michael Anthony (musician). and Sammy Hagar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zanny77 (talk • contribs) 05:43, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

unfriendly to instrumental musicians?

"His success is notable in a genre typically unfriendly to instrumental musicians."

What is this supposed to mean? I have a hunch that a prog-rock or instrumental fan typed this purely as a vent for non-exposure that they've witness or something. Not really relevant anyway. Yes he's a successful musician, you can't really say that it's an unfriendly area that he's accomplished in.Hypershadow647 (talk) 23:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Heavy Metal

Can't heavy metal be added to the info box? Joe Satriani has been on metal mania before. He has played with Steve Via and Yngwie Malmsteen before too. And if heavy metal can't be added, then could shred metal or neo-classical metal be added 68.102.235.239 (talk) 05:38, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

There's already too many genres in the box. Heavy metal doesn't really apply here. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 00:56, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Then remove hard rock. Hard rock is a subgenre of heavy metal by both lineage and content. --Rfsmit (talk) 21:37, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Weasel words..

Note in the second sentence of the first real paragraph after the intro: "He reportedly heard the news during an American football training session, where he immediately confronted his coach and announced that he was quitting to become a guitarist." Come on! I have a hard time believing that someone can cite that. --leahtwosaints (talk) 22:33, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

In the official VHS/DVD "The Satch Tapes", Joe says when he heard Jimi Hendrix had died, he went to his football coach and told him he was quitting the team to play guitar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.60.140 (talk) 14:46, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Please sign your comments. All you need do is to type four tildes like this one ~ in a row. Now, IF this is true, you need to avoid adding words like "supposedly". Since this is an encyclopedia, you can only report factual data, meaning either he did or did not do this. Thus, you need only to state it as fact, as you just did here-- however you would need a reliable reference added to the text to prove it, or technically, it can be removed per WP guidelines.--leahtwosaints (talk) 09:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

References

The references here need to be checked. Some are repeats of the ones above them, and the last 5 (at least) from the RIAA are not only in that category, but when you check them, they say nothing about the topic of the article. --leahtwosaints (talk) 09:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Better than the rest!

In more than one way, Satriani is a cut above the rest, because he sings the song, instead of just playing it. His soul is deeply emersed in the music he produces. In addition, even more than the music is Satriani the person. He is known to be readily accessible as a teacher, and his list of accomplished students speaks for itself. This is a rarity in a genre that is typically recognized for its hedonism rather than genuine artistic give back. He'll go down in music history (whether rock or not) as a true legend.

Thanks for your opinion. Maybe you're right but Wikipedia is not a place to sing his (or any artist's) praise. --Scieberking (talk) 23:13, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Silver Surfer?

According to an interview I saw a while back, Satch claimed to have not known of the silver surfer comic book character until (i believe) his producer asked him if "Surfing with the Alien" referred to him. I can't seem to find this interview now but if anyone has the source, that would be helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chase Watkins (talk • contribs) 22:49, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Good set of photos here

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alterna2/sets/72157625294211123/with/5187855836/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corevette (talk • contribs) 22:18, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Other mentions not included on Satriani's page

In the 1988 Movie "It Takes Two", Satch's song "Crushing Day" can be heard when the actor first pulls away from the dealership after purchasing the car. This song is featured on his album "Surfing With the Alien".

Also, Satriani is affiliated with Strange Beautiful Music/ASCAP, which is also a title of his album released in 2002.

A few of his songs that are featured in Guitar Hero/Rock Band games (Satch Boogie being the hardest rated song in Guitar Hero III) should be mentioned on HIS page and not just on e.g. Surfing With the Alien wiki page. Slickmetal (talk) 18:36, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

See WP:Trivia.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:44, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Virtuoso

The term has been moved to the Influence section with citations which is the rule of the Wikipedia Guitarist Project. It isn't to be used as an adjective in the lead section as this is unencyclopedic crufting. 156.34.210.28 11:29, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Unencyclopedic Technique and influence section

It should be a given for a purported virtuoso that they've "mastered many performance techniques on the instrument". It's ludicrous to extend that claim by quoting a list of such basics as legato, volume swells and harmonics. Even agility in the striking hand using the plectrum and hammered notes is not particularly indicative of virtuosity.

From the WP article in question, (with my emphasis): "The defining element of virtuosity is the performance ability of the musician in question, who is capable of displaying feats of skill well above the average performer. Musicians focused on virtuosity are commonly criticized for overlooking substance and emotion in favor of raw technical prowess. Despite the mechanical aspects of virtuosity, many virtuosi successfully avoid such labels, focusing simultaneously on other musical aspects while writing and performing music."

While Satch practically defines the second and third sentences in that statement to a tee, I'm not quite so certain he fits the first. Compared to many classical guitarists, he's quite unskilled. Don't get me wrong, I love him and all that, but in mentioning virtuosity, we're talking about a class of player that Satch sits not among, but rather looking up to. Please, before you disagree in an unencyclopedic fashion, attend a classical guitar recital.--Rfsmit (talk) 20:55, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

When one considers the number "Baroque" or the opening to "Andalusia", not to mention Satriani's other acoustic work, I'm not sure that Rfsmit's assertion concerning Satriani's lack of skill in relation to classical guitarists has a leg to stand on. There is nothing about classical guitar that would be beyond his technical prowess. Where he might be lacking is in interpretation, given that he has not turned his attention to classical pieces. But given his formidable abilities, he might very well become a classical master were he to apply his talents to that genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.131.116 (talk) 07:10, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Maybe this should be added somewhere in the technique section: Joe Satriani is also an inventor of numerous guitar playing techniques, e.g. the "lizzard down the throat" effect used in the song "Ice 9" from the album Surfing with the Alien. The same technique was used by Steve Vai in "Call it Sleep" from the Flex-able album. Please note that Surfing was recorded in 1987 and Flex-able in 1983 (released in 1984), so Vai recorded it first, but he learned it from Satch, as is credited in the tablatures for Call it Sleep. Snelle Fjöll (talk) 20:35, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Samey images

Currently the article features six images of Satriani in concert, most of which I think are too similar in content to warrant that amount—although the one with Stu Hamm adds variety. For example, in each of them Satch is wearing sunglasses. How about a pic without them? Also, as any fan of his would know, he has looked pretty much the same since he shaved his hair in 1996. So how about some pics of his younger, frizzy-haired days from Not of this Earth (1986) to Flying in a Blue Dream (1989), or his scraggly-haired days from The Extremist (1992) to Joe Satriani (1995)? Or, if we have to stick with his post-Crystal Planet (1998) bald appearance, why not show off his cool bucket hat phase from 2004? There are also no pics of him playing with his G3 buddies (Vai, Petrucci, Gilbert, Morse, Johnson, etc.), thus a trio pic of him with any two of those fellas would make a great addition to the article. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 15:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Did a bit of editing to address this, hopefully looks less samey now Yellowman94^Talk • I am the yellow man. That's what they call me, cos that's what I am. 20:02, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Cool stuff! You managed to feature him both without sunglasses and in his bucket hat phase. It's a very good improvement to the article's visual aspect. All we need now is an older pic of him with hair, and a G3 group pic (one of which I've now copied over from the G3 article). Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:13, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Added one near the recurring themes section Yellowman94^Talk • I am the yellow man. That's what they call me, cos that's what I am. 18:43, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Done Now it's just right. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:36, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Drat. WP's stupid image policy strikes again. I've never understood this site's problem with having a screenshot or two, especially if they're of a hard-to-find subject—in this case, a free image of Satch with hair. The hair! Are you listening, Wikipedia? It's all about the hair, dammit! Mac Dreamstate (talk) 09:29, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Damn. Well, I dunno how else we'd get a pic of him with hair... Yellowman94^{Talk•Contribs} 22:38, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

G4

Is it a good idea to create a new article for G4 Experience? There are several sources that can establish its notability. Or do you think integrating the material on the G3 article would be better? --Λeternus ^(talk) 12:50, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

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Personal Life

Why isn't there a 'Personal Life' section like there is in any other artist's page? His wife Rubina (which has her own song he wrote!), his son Zach... They are avid collectors of antiques, etc, etc. Why isn't any of that mentioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christador (talk • contribs) 04:09, 24 April 2020 (UTC)