Talk:John Thune/Archive 1

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weighted terms, unsubstantiated claims.
The author claims that Thune has been enveloped in controversy, yet fails to substanciate any of these claims. The text currently reads:

"Several controversies have surrounded Thune, including his lobbying activity on behalf of big beef importers before running for the Senate and the role controversial figure Jeff Gannon played in his 2004 election. Since much of South Dakota's economy is based on the beef industry, ranchers were not thrilled by Thune's aid to the suppliers of foreign beef."

What role did Jeff Gannon play in Thune's 2004 election? Associating a person with a controversial figure without justification of a relationship sends the message that Jeff Gannon played a direct role in the Thune/Daschle race. I do not believe this was the case. Gannon "reported" news about the race using his controversial style, but such coverage is indicative of interest Republicans placed in the race not proof that Thune authorized or promoted Gannon's tactics. The fact that Jeff Gannon is a controversial figure does not neccessarily mean that the personalities he covered are suspect themselves.

Who are "big beef importers?" Please be more specific. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.103.41.201 (talk • contribs) 06:27, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I've been hearing a lot of rumors that Sen. Thune is having an affair and even separated from his wife. Has anybody else heard/read anything like this? Obviously, this is still just a rumor so it doesn't belong in the main article, I am just curious as to what other people have heard. LightningOffense 18:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Similarly, Daschle was targetted with Anthrax, and then with Thune. Since the Anthrax crime was right-wing terrorism, how is Thune associated with terrorists?--203.13.2.142 (talk) 01:57, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

confusing?
"paid bloggers to blog," seems there should be a better way to phrase this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.39.203 (talk • contribs) 21:22, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

==It seems all text referenced in this section of the discussion page has been eliminated from the main article. I propose deletion of this discussion page subject. --24.111.8.108 (talk) 20:24, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

inaccurate information?
To the best of my recollection blogging was not in the bloggers duties as paid consultants for the Thune campaign. As I understand it they were bloggers first, then hired as consultants with the campaign, and continued their blog in the same manner as before their hiring. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.39.203 (talk • contribs) 21:24, 22 March 2006(UTC)

==It seems all text referenced in this section of the discussion page has been eliminated from the main article. I propose deletion of this discussion page subject. --24.111.8.108 (talk) 20:27, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

attention Wikieditors
Is the tone of the article appropriate for an encyclopedia? In my opinion the phase "perhaps destined to do even greater things for the people of South Dakota and the nation" be excluded; as should other statements of hypothetical nature. After all, it is entirely possible that Sen. Thune is destined NOT to do greater things; he may even be revealed as a Martian invader or a Venusian reptile that wears a human skin. Or he may just disappear from the political scene and be forgotten in about 5 years (precedents are numerous). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.166.116.231 (talk • contribs) 06:45, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you're right (except for the Martian or Venusian part). As much as I fear getting involved in editing political articles, I went ahead and removed that clause. Heimstern Läufer 06:48, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

More POV, needs editing
I believe that "Already a rising star in the Senate due to overcoming long odds in his victory over Senator Daschle, Thune's victory to keep Ellsworth open firmly established his reputation as a tenacious and resourceful political leader" is a POV. I don't suggest removing the whole passage but it needs to be more neutral. I don't believe it is appropriate to assign either overly enthusiastic ("rising star") or overly negative (e.g., "political failure") to a partisan politician, especially after less than 2 years in the Senate. For comparison, the words "rising star" are found on the Sen. Barak Obama page ONLY as a part of a title of a cited reference, they are not used in the actual text of the article. Maybe, for symmetry's sake a similar reference (journal article, wire report etc.) that refers to Sen. Thune as a "rising star" can be found and added to the reference section of this article.

This page will also benefit from inclusion of more information on Sen. Thune's activities as a legislator, other interesting or maybe controversial votes, his expressed positions on various topics etc.

A clarification is also needed: "On November 2, 2004, Thune stunned the nation by defeating Daschle by 4,508 votes or 51% of the vote" -- maybe "... defeating Daschle by 4,508 votes *and gathering 51% of all votes*" S.D. is a small state so people may erroneously think that 4,508 was 51% of all votes. Americans would know that much more than 8840 votes were cast in that election (the actual number was close to 500,000, I believe); however, non-Americans may be confused. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.26.163.39 (talk • contribs) 08:16, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Role Jeff Gannon played
Well, what was the role Jeff Gannon played in his election? More elaboration is needed (with a source if possible). Moncrief 08:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * On 03:26, 12 November 2006 (UTC), 67.38.254.82 changed Jeff Gannon to "Jake Young" for some reason. The allegations are not sourced in the Gannon article either. I'm removing this from the main page per Biographies of living persons. RJASE1 19:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Thune educated in SoCal
OK, so Mr Thune graduated from Biola University. What was this major? Did he have a minor? Did he excel in any way (letters, Dean lists, etc) ? 67.168.148.164 04:37, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Against the theory?
According to Newsweek (July 26, 2004), he also is against the theory of evolution.

This statement should probably be clarified within the article...few people are against theories, but are rather against a specific use/teaching of the theory or doubt the validity of the theory. Additionally the relevance of this information should be included (probably within the context of the Creation and evolution in public education debate). Unfortunately I don't have a clarifying source on me at the moment... --Tim4christ17 talk 23:52, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Birthplace contradiction
The info box says Sen. Thune was born in Murdo, SD, while the main article claims he was born in Pierre.

The bio on his official congressional website does not mention a place of birth; It only says that he "grew up in Murdo."

Edits by 208.107.34.119
I have reverted and left another note for this user. I don't think all of the changes are harmful (the article doesn't need to mention evangelical Christianity in every third sentence) but I do think deletions of sourced material should be discussed. I had previously left a note at their talk page to suggest such a discussion. Kaisershatner (talk) 14:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps unsurprisingly, here's the WHOIS:

network: Primary-Server;I: ns3.midco.net network: Secondary-Server;I: ns4.midco.net network: Street-Address: 410 S. Phillips Ave. network: City: Sioux Falls network: State: South Dakota network: Postal-Code: 57104 network: Country-Code: US network: Created: 2003-04-11 network: Updated: 2008-03-26 network: Updated-By: hostmaster@midco.net Kaisershatner (talk) 14:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Identical edits from 192.103.41.201 starting just after 208.107 was blocked. Kaisershatner (talk) 19:18, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Religious status
Moving a post here from a user talk page, Manutdglory: "But the fact that he presumably stated he was/is a committed Christian in order to go to Biola does not prove that he and his wife are currently active evangelicals. I'm not saying they aren't, I assume they are, I'm just saying your reasoning isn't exactly right, and the fact tag should go back IMO. Kaisershatner (talk) 02:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)" No reply yet, so editing the article to reflect this. Kaisershatner (talk) 13:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Amendment vote
I believe the vote on Thune's concealed carry amendment was 58-39, not 58-40 as the article currently states. (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/amendment.xpd?session=111&amdt=s1618). Also, it might be a little clearer if the article mentioned that the 58 votes in favor were just short of the 60 votes necessary to pass an amendment. Without that information, it's hard to understand how a 58-40 vote was a narrow defeat. Any objection to making the sentence read, "Despite the support of prominent blue dog Democrats in the senate, the bill was defeated 58-39, two votes short of the 60 necessary to add an amendment." DaBunny42 (talk) 15:51, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

"Tax breaks for first-time home buyers."
The sentence about the senator's opposition to tax breaks for first-time home-buyers and home-builders is vague and misleading. The bill concerned tax credits that were aimed at stimulating home purchases and thus home prices. They were not "tax breaks" similar to Bush's temporary reductions in tax rates, against which they're juxtaposed in the article. I suggest that at the very least the sentence be changed to denote that the bill concerned tax credits. Jibbytot (talk) 02:11, 12 October 2010 (UTC)Jibbytot

Campaign Finance
This text was removed : The Monsanto Citizenship Fund from Monsanto donated $2000.0 on June 24th 2013 to the 2016 Primary via Friends of John Thune.

I think it is important to know this, considering it is going to be for the 2016 election, people deserve to know who is making donations to candidates and possible influence. Montstanto made 10 million in donations and has had its own protection laws passed, I think that this is not trival or triva but important. The FDA_Food_Safety_Modernization_Act was voted in by John Thune which protects monsanto who is funding him. see also http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s510/money

James Michael DuPont (talk) 01:50, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

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To add to this article: Thune's views on raising the $7.25 federal minimum wage. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 05:05, 2 March 2021 (UTC)