Talk:Jonathan Banks/Archive 1

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Spoilers
Absolutely no need for Breaking Bad spoilers. Come on guys. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.98.181.160 (talk) 22:37, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Date of birth
What exactly qualifies as a "reliable source" for famous people and their DoB? In the case of Jonathan Banks, the DoB of 1/31/47 is WIDELY reported in dozens and dozens of articles (not just IMDB as was used as the reason for the undo, and which for the record, wasn't even the source I had used when I came across the information in the first place) so I'd very much like to understand what's been used for other birthdates in WP?

I can list many, many, MANY examples of entries on WP where the DoB is stated, but no footnote or reference is given as to exactly where that information was derived from. In fact, I don't even see any verifiable information noted that Banks was, in fact, actually born in Washington, DC - and yet, that is openly stated in the very first sentence of the "early life" section. Should that information be reverted, too?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.76.192.159 (talk) 14:26, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit: Nevermind the Washington D.C. question - I see that in the TV Guide article, now. But the original question still remains: Beyond TV Guide, what other sources qualify for a date of birth? Do they have to be physically printed sources?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.76.192.159 (talk) 14:31, 26 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Please review WP:BLP, WP:DOB, WP:RS, and WP:IMDB. You say Banks' DOB has been "widely reported" - but I gather, since you said "do they have to be physically printed", you are only talking about online sources. Sites that carry user-contributed material are by definition not reliable and that's the problem with IMDB. You say "dozens and dozens of articles" but unless they cite their sources they likely got it from IMDB... or for that matter from this article at a moment when the entry had not been deleted. IMDB is problematic because while they claim they do some verification, they are not forthcoming about their methods, nor about whether they've verified individual claims of fact. Per WP:BLP and WP:DOB we need a rock-solid source for the DOB of living people.
 * Meanwhile, try to have a sense of perspective, please. The world is not going to end if this article doesn't include Banks' DOB. Heck, Banks is from the era when a lot of people in the industry lied about their age; even if you found a direct quote on recorded audio from Banks himself on the matter it won't necessarily be correct. Jeh (talk) 18:16, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Dates of birth
After the above, found a RS for the DOB, and added it to the article. That would have been well and good. However, they also added "his mother's birth and death date, added information about his second wife, his children and his grandchild." Seems very WP:POINTy to me.

I removed the birth dates.

, in their very first edits to WP, has restored them, claiming "The information is relevant to him and to the specific section it is in."

Regardless of how it seems to me (or anyone else), such information is precluded by WP:BLPNAME, which specifically mentions the case of family members who are not, themselves, the subjects of the article or otherside celebrities:

"The presumption in favor of privacy is strong in the case of family members of articles' subjects and other loosely involved, otherwise low-profile persons. The names of any immediate, former, or significant family members or any significant relationship of the subject of a BLP may be part of an article, if reliably sourced, subject to editorial discretion that such information is relevant to a reader's complete understanding of the subject. -- from WP:BLPNAME"

Please consider carefully the first quoted sentence: "The presumption in favor of privacy is strong in the case of family members of articles' subjects and other loosely involved, otherwise low-profile persons. "

And recall that WP:BLPNAME is part of WP:BLP, which is Wikipedia policy. Not just a guideline. Furthermore, it is one of the most rigidly and rigorously enforced pieces of policy.

There is support there for including the immediate family members' names, but only their names. And even that is only per "editorial discretion" regarding their relevance to "complete understanding". There is no support for dates of birth, or any other info about them for that matter, at all. (And a granddaughter is not "immediate family", either.)

And no, this is not a case of "anything not specifically excluded may be included" - per "the presumption in favor of privacy".

The facts of existence of Bank's children and a grandchild are perhaps relevant. But I do not see how their names, let alone their birth dates, could be considered so. Neither their names or their birth dates should appear here. Jeh (talk) 16:35, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Splitting proposal
I propose that sections Filmography be split into a separate page called Jonathan Banks filmography. This section is large enough to make its own page. Filmman3000 (talk) 18:27, 1 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Support. I agree that Banks has had enough roles to merit a separate page for his filmography. Dog Starkiller (talk) 21:22, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support. Banks has enough roles to merit a separate page for his filmography. Jaysee101 (talk) 13:36, 02 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Support. Well you both have read my reasoning.Filmman3000 (talk) 00:07, 4 September 2021 (UTC)