Talk:Jonathan Edwards College

Is this the oldest college? That is currently claimed on the Branford College site. CoolGuy 06:12, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

It is often that I come across the fallacy that Branford and Saybrook are the oldest two colleges at Yale. In fact, JE was founded a year earlier in 1932. This is well known in JE, particularly since several historic organizations celebrated Jonathan Edwards's 300 birthday at the college a couple years ago. Branford became a college in 1933, a year later, which is posted on the site. Its reference as the oldest college is an abreviated quote from Robert Frost, which may or may not be taken out of context.

In the Building a University exhibit at Sterling Library several years ago, the history of the colleges was presented. Basically, several older structures were modified and expanded to build the first few residential colleges. For JE, the existing Wheelock, Dickinson, and Kent Halls were expanded, Part of Weir Hall was annexed from Skull and Bones, and the Great Hall was constructed in 1932. These buildings were built in the mid 20s. Branford and Saybrook were converted from Memorial Quadrangle, which was built before the above Halls, however, the Branford side of the quad was not converted into Branford until 1933. These dates can be verified at http://www.library.yale.edu/archives300/exhibits/building/building.html. While this site is not accessible off campus, it may be accessible on campus.

Further, there's a link on the page to an NY times clip about the college on the eve of its opening; a pro-quest historical NY times search shows the article dated in 1932, verifing that JE opened in that year.

Since the Frost quote is abbreviated, it may be referring to Memorial Quadrangle. If it is referring to Branford, Frost is incorrect, as the age of the underlying edifices is not the same as the age of the colleges. The colleges are institutions rather than mere buildings.

In any event, I've heard anecdotally that the first Master of a residential college, Robert French, went to Cambridge and Oxford to study the college system first-hand so that he could effectively launch it. Upon seeing the plans for the colleges, he chose to be Master of JE, because he felt it most closely resembled the residential atmosphere of the colleges across the pond.

Behack 02:21, 9 December 2005 (EST)

Mind altering powers?
"...and a testimony to Yale's mind-altering powers." I deleted this phrase at the end of the Namesake section. Any reason why that phrase was here?


 * I haven't looked at it in situ, but perhaps it's an effort to give Yale the credit/blame for Jonathan's conversion. (Leland Ross, JE '76 dropout.) --Haruo 15:16, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Masters and Deans?
I don't have the list at hand to do it (and document it) myself, but it seems to me a list of the college's Masters and Deans to date would be an appropriate companion piece to the list of illustrious alums. There is an article on Beekman Cox Cannon in the Esperanto Wikipedia... --Haruo 15:16, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Heraldry on the shield
There are no "eleven black daggers" on that shield. The pattern of black shapes on the white/tan (argent) shield background is "ermine," and is supposed to represent that fur tincture. I would like to know if a professor within the College has already determined that they are eleven black daggers, or if they are that pattern.

Arcanist07 9:48 AM, 8 August 2007 (EST)

The insignia section appears to be largely plagiarized from a 1957 university publication. Unless I hear objection I plan to cull some of the content in this section (excessive detail, IMO). Nickknack00 (talk) 14:49, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Weasel Words?
There's a footnote in the first line of the "badge and crest" section which claims that "it recalls" is weaselly. I think the connection between apples and snakes and original sin is in the domain of common knowledge. Moreover, isn't an apple with a snake a VERY clear reference to original sin? I'm not sure how this is at all weaselly. The link between original sin and the preacher who delivered "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" isn't exactly tenuous... --Mr Bucket (talk) 04:34, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Piss poor Wikipedia entry
This entry sucks. It is completely unclear what Jonathan Edwards College actually is. It appears from a glance at the history section that maybe students take classes here. Clicking through to the residential college link doesn't help either. I had to go to the Yale website myself to figure out what goes on there: It's a glorified dormitory. There, is that so hard. I would expect some self-starting, go-getting freshman at Yale would be all over this entry. But no. Come on. The link, if you actually want to learn anything about Jonathan Edwards College, which is what I'd thought I'd find by looking it up on Wikipedia, is http://www.yale.edu/admit/freshmen/residential_life/index.html Unintelligible (talk) 22:27, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Notable Alumni Citations
Any JE graduates after 1954 and before 2004 can be cross-referenced with this directory of Yale's archival student records. Nickknack00 (talk) 01:41, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 12 September 2015

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The result of the move request was: Procedural close, merged into the lager discussion at Talk:Trumbull_College_(Yale_University). Tiggerjay (talk) Tiggerjay (talk) 18:45, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Jonathan Edwards College (Yale University) → Jonathan Edwards College – The move proposed by BoringHistoryGuy may help some readers understand the affiliation of Jonathan Edwards College, but is not consistent with WP:D. "Jonathan Edwards College" is the only topic using this name, and further disambiguation isn't necessary. I believe the lead sentence clarifies the relationship between the college and Yale University, but would welcome edits better establish this connection. Nickknack00 (talk) 13:32, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Support revert. There's no need for unnecessary disambiguation and the affiliation to Yale is explained in the article. Zarcadia (talk) 17:49, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


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