Talk:Jordan de Exeter

Jordan de Courcy
Have doubts about Jordan's supposed de Courcy descent. Will look it up over the next couple of days and see what I can come up with. Fergananim 15:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't surprise me if it was nonsense. On Mac Somhairle, I had a quick look in McDonald's Kingdom of the Isles. He reckons that the Mac Somhairle whose death was reported in the Annals of Loch Cé in 1247 was Eóghan's father. However, he seems to think that the head of Clan Somhairle was Aonghas Mór of Islay in 1263. The nearest he comes to being useful is when he says (p. 94) "The date of Duncan's death is not known with certainty, but must have been between 1237 and 1248, in which year his son, Ewen, appears in the forefront of events on the western seaboard." So, either Eóghan or Domnhall mac Ragnaill or Aonghas Mór. Well, that helps a lot! Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Alex Woolf is slightly confident the Ballyshannon guy is Ruaidhri mac Raghnaill, but he seems to be certain (he states it as a fact) that the guy who killed Jordan d'Exeter was Dubhghall mac Ruaidhri ("Dead Man at Ballyshannon"). There are good reasons moreover for dismissing the possibility of any MacDougall; they are the lackies of the Scottish king until they pick the wrong side in the Wars of Independence. The MacRuaidhris on the other hand, are the ones hostile to the Scottish and English crowns (allied for most of the century in these matters) and until the Wars of Independence are the powerful branch of the descendants of Raghnall, to which the MacDonalds seems to be a subordinate branch. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 09:24, 19 January 2008 (UTC)