Talk:José Medellín

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I'll sleep better tonight knowing this SOB is burning in hell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.128.118 (talk) 19:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Why was the information at the bottom of the article regarding the scheduled execution date removed? 97.115.210.51 (talk) 00:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)Chris
 * Probably because it said he was executed today whereas the reference said the scheduled date for execution was today. Two different things. Kaiwhakahaere (talk) 01:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I realize that, but earlier today it said this: Execution date

José Medellín's execution date has been set for August 5, 2008.[1]

There is nothing inaccurate about that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.115.210.51 (talk) 01:52, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? Of course it was inaccurate. At the time Wiki was saying "José Medellín was executed today", the Supreme Court was still considering his appeal and was still very much alive. Kaiwhakahaere (talk) 03:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The quote that I specifically mentioned, "José Medellín's execution date has been set for August 5, 2008.", was not inaccurate at all. 97.115.210.51 (talk) 03:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)Chris
 * OK, cross purposes because of edit conflict. You asked "Why was the information at the bottom of the article 'regarding the scheduled execution date' removed?" I checked the article to find a sub heading saying Execution Date with supporting text "José Medellín was executed on August 5, 2008". It was inaccurate at the time I read it, but obviously had been inserted after you visited the page. Kaiwhakahaere (talk) 03:58, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

he's not dead yet
somebody edited his death to today. but he's yet to be executed. not right to do that until he's actually dead. i'm changing it back Caesarscott (talk) 02:15, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Editing on the rape and murder section
The unnecessary morbidity, and irritating sloppiness of this section has required editing. It is not a matter of sanitising the piece--the largely unsourced, spectacularly gruesome details of this section are inexcusable. I have no doubt that the section's callous handling of these atrocities would cause offence to a reasonable person, and is a potential source of untold hurt to the victims' families.

I have no doubt that the current edit is insufficient, and no doubt that its original author is worringly divorced from the material he/she has written. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.62.236.34 (talk) 05:47, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to disagree with removing all the details. It is disturbing and currently partly unverified, but I still think it is relevant to the case at hand (and the resulting execution). The events were horrible, but Wikipedia is not censored and I think in this case it is better to expose the crimes to the light of day. Information that is ultimately unverifiable or irrelevant should be removed, but I think your edit went beyond that, and in fact deleted references. Superm401 - Talk 06:29, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The source of the "gruesome" details of the murders was cited and the author was one of the family members of the victims. Kevin (talk) 17:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Removing what Medellin's crime while discussing him as a person does injustice to the integrity of wikipedia. I will try to reword the section and find all the necessary sources Kevin (talk) 17:29, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The section has now been removed again, as it turns out it is a copyright violation, using content from http://www.murdervictims.com/voices/jeneliz.html without GFDL permission. We will have to rewrite appropriate content in our own words. Superm401 - Talk 05:51, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I wrote a replacement. Superm401 - Talk 07:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Wow
So, the article's administrators have reinstated its grimness. A score for democracy! Listen, while zealots are running around like termites, defending and spreading the democracy of knowledge, your little hearts are decaying. Seriously. THIS ISN'T A JOKE. I was genuinely offended by that article, and I ain't no prude. I have no doubt others will find it offensive too. So, if you are a wiki-zealot (and I pray for you if you are) then here's a cure, suggested elsewhere to our young administrator Superman40, or something:

Ask yourself these 3 questions about the article's section on the crimes: "Are the gruesome details in the public interest?"; "Are they verifiable?"; and "How would a friend/family member of the victims respond to reading it?"

Have a think about that, young WikiWarriors.
 * I put the grim details back, and I explained why above. Superm401 - Talk 06:32, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, Superman. You know best. As an ex-journo, what would I know? "It's a paradigm shift!" I hear you scream, "We don't have to play by their silly old rules anymore!!" Okay. I get it. Just be careful of idiocy--I think it might be your kryptonite.

Right, I'm getting back to work now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.62.236.34 (talk) 06:42, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I am thankfull the full details are posted. WAKEUP AMERICA! This is happening in our own backyard. Justice must prevail! Lets stand up and fight for our right to not live in fear of criminals! I wish all states handled horrific crimes like Texas! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.83.199.108 (talk) 08:43, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Medellín's Immigration Status
Is there any info on his Immigration Status? I think that information would be pertinent to the discussion as it might explain why he was not granted the rights of the treaty to a visit with the consulate. I couldn't find anything in a quick search. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.149.209.5 (talk) 15:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

He was in the US illegally. However, his immigration status has nothing to do with the benefits of the Vienna Convention he, as a Mexican national, was entitled to.128.146.238.235 (talk) 17:58, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

It's true that he was illegal, but not in the traditional "illegal" sense. His parents, Maria Felipa Medellin and Venancio Medellin Armendariz, Sr. entered the country legally and were naturalized. They did not fill out the requisite paperwork to naturalize him, hence, he was illegal, though his parents were legal. He grew up here in here in Houston and attended school in HISD, but never sought US citizenship, though he was eligible.

From the denial of Habeus Corpus writ in [the 339th District Court in Harris County, TX]http://www.cca.courts.state.tx.us/OPINIONS/HTMLOPINIONINFO.ASP?OPINIONID=17174

First, let us be clear about applicant's claim. Born in Mexico, applicant was brought to the United States when he was three years old and, at the time he was arrested, had lived in this country for fifteen of his eighteen years. He spoke fluent English, but he never obtained, nor apparently ever sought, U.S. citizenship. So, at the time of his arrest and trial, he was legally a Mexican citizen. His claim is that no one informed him of his right to contact the Mexican consulate. This is true. It is also true that he was never denied access to the Mexican consulate. The problem is that he apparently never told any law enforcement or judicial official that he was a Mexican citizen until some four years after his conviction. Applicant never informed the arresting officers that he was a Mexican citizen. (1) He makes no claim that he informed any magistrate that he was a Mexican citizen. He points to no evidence that he informed the trial judge before or during his trial that he was a Mexican citizen. (2) We do not know what the arresting officers, the magistrate, or the trial judge would have done had any of them been informed that applicant was a citizen of Mexico

This is not a minor issue; the opening sentence of this Wiki entry stating that he was born in Mexico and was a Mexican national executed in Texas, though technically true, is misleading and is clearly written to buttress the arguments put forth by his attorney four years after his conviction. Personally, I think that to not mention that he came to Houston at three years old and grew up here is at best incomplete, at worst dishonest and written to advocate on his behalf and uphold an anti-capital punishment tradition here on Wikipedia. So be it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mfrench518 (talk • contribs) 17:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Execution
Does someone know how Medellin was executed? With an electric chair or did they just hang him? Bashcourtn (talk) 23:50, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * All executions in Texas are now by lethal injection. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

NPOV Links
There's got to be a better source for the ICC's ruling than the "World Socialist Website." Shouldn't these links be kept to more established news agencies? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.251.199.82 (talk) 01:20, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

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