Talk:Josephine Earp

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I added a cleanup tag. This article needs some copyediting, and the facts need to be cross-checked against the article on Wyatt Earp. There are disagreements between the two. --Srleffler 06:55, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

There are no citations or sourcing whatsoever in this article. A real mess. --Lastexit 14:36, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Kudos to the person who took this criticism deeply to heart ... Kamatoa (talk) 16:53, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Burial paragraph
The final paragraph definately belongs in this talk section, and needs citation before it's added. 'My dad remembers it' isn't a valid source for Wiki I'm afraid! Xzamuel 03:36, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Actual photo of Josephine Earp???
Although I was able to locate the source of the (alleged) photo of Josie, it is my understanding that there are no known photos of Josephine Marcus Earp from her time in Tombstone, let alone a photo by C.S. Fly. While the photo does resemble her, I have my doubts as to whether or not this actually is a photo of Josie Earp. Any comments? Suggestions? SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 22:58, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * There are people who keep discounting the photo of the woman who is half naked, or seductively dressed as Josie, but Josie is the one who put that photo on the front of her own biography book. So I asked the question, "Why put someone elses photo on your own biography?"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.216.17.138 (talk) 15:43, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Josie Earp is not the author of "I Married Wyatt Earp" or the person who selected the cover photo. Glenn Boyer wrote the book and selected the picture on the cover.  Look up "I Married Wyatt Earp" on Wikipedia to see whether Mr. Boyer is a credible source of information.  Look up the subject "Kaloma" or "Kaloma photograph" on Google to see the most likely background of the picture and once again Mr. Boyer's credibility.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.162.23.110 (talk) 00:01, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * On the subject of Josephine Sarah Marcus and the "KALOMA" Poster manufactured by The Novelty Candy Company *Copyrighted for publication in 1914. Just as Josie had stated, The semi-nude, veiled, Female Image used on that poster Is Her -& was originally photographed in 1880 -& so was already under the Photographer's Copyright, from that year on. -So the 1914 Copyright by NC Co. printed at the bottom of the poster was Not Meant to apply to The Photograph -but only to the Exotic Title: KALOMA! The Novelty Candy Company produced those posters as a Morale-Booster for our Doughboys in World War 1. Both Josie & the Photographer would have made a Contract with NC Co. for it's use of Their Image on that Poster -& both Josie & the Photographer would have received a split of the "1'st Run" Royalties on the use of Josie's Portrait. *It Is Definitely Her -& I have more photos of her to Prove That! I hope that Wikipedia can clear this up, because I have no editing skills! -Blue Brown. (71.169.144.146 (talk) 19:04, 5 March 2019 (UTC))


 * @BlueBrown, as was stated above and is well and clearly established in the article I Married Wyatt Earp, the picture of the semi-nude woman in the peignoir is not Josephine Earp. She did not put that photo on the front of her own biography. The biography was written and published by Glenn Boyer, who chose the cover art. Boyer was asked repeatedly to provide his sources and prove that the cover image was Josie, and when he could not, the book was largely discredited. The book and its cover art are, according to modern academics, possibly the most remarkable literary hoax in American history. Modern research has clearly and finally established that the image originated with the ABC Novelty company in 1914. There is no reliable source substantiating the belief that the image is of Josephine Earp and to keep insisting otherwise is wasting other WP editors' time. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 06:01, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

On Behan's page is the following photo. Is there a reason it's not on this/Sadie's page as well? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Behan#/media/File:Josephine-Sarah-Marcus-c1881.jpg Jyg (talk) 23:25, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

The photo was from an auction catalog of John Floods estate. The auction company identified it as Josephine, not Flood. Thus it is not well accepted as depicting Sadie / Josephine. Many think it is Doc Holiday's wife. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 18:39, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Name on tombstone
Why is the name on the tombstone "Stapp", not "Earp"? 24.136.171.48 (talk) 04:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC) AAF

Oops... disregard. I see that Stapp was a second middle name, with Earp on the top.

24.136.171.48 (talk) 04:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC) AAF

Johnny Behan and Tombstone, Arizonaaaa
"Marcus caused quite a stir in Behan's heart, and he left the pursuit in order to spend time getting to know the woman with whom he had fallen in love."

What? This is an encyclopedia not a Harlequin Romance. I'm going to delete this garbage. I'll leave this silliness:

"Soon after arriving in Prescott, however, Marcus became homesick and returned to San Francisco."

for someone else to deal with. "citation required" is NOT sufficient in this situation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paleocon44 (talk • contribs) 05:46, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Josephine Earp
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Josephine Earp's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "barra": From Earp Vendetta Ride:  From Wyatt Earp:  From Gunfight at the O.K. Corral:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 10:08, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Disputing image: File:Josephine-Sarah-Marcus-c1881.jpg
In reading this article about Josephine Earp the image of her from File:Josephine-Sarah-Marcus-c1881.jpg is used. However, I have just been watching a documentary with an interview by an author who has researched the life and photos of Josephine Earp who claims that this is not an image of Josephine. Please see the entire segment at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgKAbDPsjk0 ("Who Was Josephine Earp? A Photo Analysis by Cary Lane (4/8)", YouTube, 7 minutes). Perhaps another suitable yet authentic image can be found that is not being disputed by biographers and historians. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 11:02, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I added this image. This is the only source I've seen to dispute an image that has long been accepted as a valid image of her. I'll look at the video later and figure out what to do next. — btphelps (talk) (contribs) 17:43, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

More Images

 * Meet the Jewish "Lady at the OK Corral" - Jewish Women's Archive
 * Lady Sadie,The other woman in Wyatt's life; by Carol Mitchell, February 01, 2001
 * Meet the women: Some of the old west's best stories involve the ladies
 * Josephine Sarah "Sadie" Marcus Earp (1861 - 1944) - Find A Grave Memorial
 * The Jewish First Lady at Legendary Lawmaker Wyatt Earp's O.K. Corral - Jewish Daily Forward
 * Mrs. Earp ‘Lady at the O.K. Corral,’ by Ann Kirschner By SARA WHEELER Published: May 31, 2013 nytimes.com
 * Kaloma Sheet Music
 * Josephine and Wyatt Earp, 1920
 * Lot Detail - Semi-Nude Photo of Wyatt Earp's Last Wife With a Copy of the Sheet Music It Graced - 1914?
 * 1914 Photograph of "Kaloma" - Roadshow Archive - PBS
 * Kaloma (The Purported Photograph of Josie Earp) - Jeremy Rowe 2002
 * Who Was Josephine Earp? A Photo Analysis by Cary Lane 1...8
 * ANTIQUE ORIGINAL PHOTOGRAPH "KALOMA" JOSIE EARP SEMI NUDE WOMAN WEARING VEIL
 * Methodological Approaches to Disclosing Historic Photographs
 * ladyattheokcorral.org/gallery
 * Johann C. Schmid (1870-1951)
 * Johann C. Schmid (1870-1951) "Gire Goulineaux" 1914 Kaloma valse hesitante sheet music
 * |%22Hesitation+Waltz%22+%22Gire+Goulineaux%22&source=bl&ots=rN5Yn8NRYE&sig=vcHZZqKfeheq38kkdRCpgW69ADc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IvBxU7QRz6DIBKrSgoAM&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Kaloma%20%22Valse%20Hesitante%22|%22Hesitation%20Waltz%22%20%22Gire%20Goulineaux%22&f=false Kaloma "Hesitation Waltz" "Gire Goulineaux" - The SAGE Handbook of Visual Research Methods
 * "The Lady at the O.K. Corral" - Ann Kirschner Talks at Google Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 11:19, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

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Just what is an "adventure", presented in quotes?
Article says: Q: Josephine ran away, possibly as early as age 14, and traveled to Arizona, where she had an "adventure"./Q


 * The word in quotes, "adventure" should be changed to what she actually did; as it is, the "adventure" statement means little and has no citation. If the editor means that Josephine had an affair with some guy, say so, but don't say "affair" either, be specific. If editor means she began a life of fornication, say so. (PeacePeace (talk) 15:10, 30 March 2019 (UTC))


 * The use of the word adventure in the lead doesn't signal something or obfuscate facts. In adherence to WP standards, facts in the lead are not referenced unless they are controversial or contentious. If you would bother to read the entire article, you will see her statement, "life was dull for me in San Francisco. In spite of my bad experience of a few years ago the call to adventure still stirred my blood," which is cited. There is no attempt to obfuscate the nature of her life, during which she was likely a prostitute. To make it clearer to you, I modified the lead to state, "...she said she had an "adventure." ".


 * As to your edit, "she appears to describe events in Arizona that she supposedly witnessed", it's a uncontested fact that Josephine made these statements. She didn't appear to describe these events in her life, that is how she is quoted describing these events. It's entirely possible—if not likely—that she was applying window dressing to events in her life. Josephine went to great lengths during her lifetime to protect her and Wyatt's reputation by closely guarding the facts of her life before and during her time in Tombstone, and his life during the Tombstone years. The mystery remains as to what is actually true, which the article makes clear. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 01:05, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

About the photo ©1914
there is a version © 1907 here https://www.delon-hoebanx.com/lot/110693/15482281?offset=200& — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.127.234.6 (talk) 07:44, 12 October 2021 (UTC)