Talk:Juliet Landau

Age
According to imdb, Juliet Landau was born in 1965. However, I've found other sources online saying that she was born in either 1971 or 1972. Can anyone confirm this? IndulgentReader (talk) 02:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Imdb got it wrong, the official site says she was born in 1972. http://julietlandau.com/home.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.76.63.116 (talk) 18:37, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

David Boreanaz also used to lie by 2 years (1971 instead of 1969) when he was first on BtVS because of his age difference with Sarah Michelle Gellar. Coincidentally, both of them at one time used to take 2 years off of their ages.

Ah, here's proof that Juliet was born before 1969--newspapers on her parents. ;) And apparently another was found by someone where it said Barbara Bain and Martin Landau had two daughters by 1967. I'm thinking 1965 is looking more factual.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/courant/access/938682082.html?dids=938682082:938682082&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&date=Sep+25%2C+1969&author=MARILYN+BECK&pub=The+Hartford+Courant&desc=George+Hamilton+Finds+Publicity+Kills+Romance&pqatl=google

Here's something I picked up from Whedonesque on this very subject. As you see, I found an article that proves she was at least born by 1969. This person found more:

"I did a search on Google news archive (a great resource) and found references to newspaper articles from 1967/8 that talk about Barbara Bain and her two daughters (with Martin Landau), Susan and Juliet, aged 6 and 2."

Juliet is the younger sister. Meaning... 2 in 1967 = born in 1965.


 * Not to rekindle, but hopefully settle the old debate about Ms. Landau's birth year. It's clear she wasn't born in 1972. Her parents were in their 40s in 1972, and had already been married 15 years, which would be a late start to a family. But more concretely, here's an interview from 1976, in which Barbara Bain talks about how when her daughters were "little girls," Susan would stay up to see her mother on Mission Impossible -- which Martin and Barbara only appeared on until 1969:
 * "What about your children, Julie and Susan? How do they feel about their parents being stars?"


 * "I can't really presume to talk for them," Barbara explained, "but I can remember when they were little girls, Susan would want to stay up and watch Mission. After only a few minutes she'd fall asleep, but in the morning when she'd wake up, she'd look at me and say, 'Mommy, you were wonderful.' Isn't that cute?" Barbara smiled fondly, and Martin just sat there beaming. Talking about their children is obviously a subject close to their hearts.
 * --HidariMigi (talk) 00:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Here's another: "The Landaus have two children, Susan, 7, and Juliet, 3", from the Toledo Blade, April 28, 1968.. So, either late 1964 or early 1965. The 1972 date is clearly unsupportable, but given the controversy, we probably shouldn't state any specific birth date without citing a rock solid source. Hqb (talk) 22:10, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent find using Google resources. I'd say that pretty well settles it. A bit more searching of the archives reveals this even closer date:
 * QUESTION: Please tell me something about Martin Landau of "Mission: Impossible... actress Barbara Bain and they have two girls, Susan Meredith 4, and Juliet Rose, 1. Dec 4, 1966: Hartford Courant.
 * By the time she appeared in Ed Wood in 1994, when she was 28/29, but was already fudging her "Hollywood" age by saying she was 23. -- HidariMigi (talk) 22:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


 * An anonymous editor from 75.85.5.70, which resolves to a Road Runner account in Los Angeles, keeps reverting the birth year back to 1972-- we can only assume this is Ms Landau, or one of her associates (publicist or assistant.) Sorry, folks: I get why you want to make the age younger, but Wikipedia isn't really the place for bio misinformation.--70.184.255.220 (talk) 21:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I went to school with Juliet. The info on the internet is not correct. She was born in 1972. I feel bad for her... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.5.70 (talk) 02:08, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Is that so? Then perhaps you'd care to suggest a plausible explanation for why she is mentioned with name and age in multiple independent newspaper articles that were published years before she was allegedly born? Hqb (talk) 14:53, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I've received an OTRS complaint on the subject; she says 1972 and so, more importantly, does her birth certificate. I've enacted WP:BRD; can we finally put this to bed? Ironholds (talk) 23:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * So, let's weigh the evidence. On the one hand, we have multiple independent newspaper articles published well before 1972 that unequivocally state that Juliet Rose Landau, daughter of actors Martin Landau and Barbara Bain, was born in or around 1965. Also, the California Birth Index says that exactly one Juliet Landau (middle initial "R") was born in California between 1905 and 1995, on March 30, 1965. This information is generally accessible and verifiable. On the other hand, we have the publicity web page of the subject, and the statement of an anonymous (as far as the general public is concerned) OTRS volunteer to the effect that they have seen a (presumably electronic-only) copy of something that may or may not be the subject's genuine birth certificate.
 * As you surely know, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth". Even if the 1972 date were true (which appears highly unlikely), we evidently cannot include it in the article based merely on the above information. So, per WP:BLP, the only sensible thing to do is to remove the date of birth entirely, until such time as a rock solid, verifiable, secondary source can be cited. Hqb (talk) 08:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Works for me. I question why this wasn't done before, but... Ironholds (talk) 12:01, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

For a more up to date discussion on this matter and the consenus gained from it please see below threads.RafikiSykes (talk) 20:00, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Copyright issues
The whole biography and carreer section strikes me very similar, not to say identical, to the biography section on her official page http://julietlandau.com/home.html. Because i am rather new here and not a native speaker i won't change anything but somebody should. Quästor (talk) 16:36, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Birth date
Presently the article shows the 1965 birthdate and references are shown with it including an online biography confirming that date, the birth record search showing a juliet r landau born on that date and online archive links to 2 different newspaper articles from the 1960's directly mentioning her age and existence.There are multiple independant reliable sources confirming this information. Given the last conversation about this was some time age and the information keeps being readded I think this should be revisted. BLP guidlines say that any contentious info should by backed up by reliable sources and this fact is backed up by such.RafikiSykes (talk) 18:41, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It is possible to get your birth certificate changed through several methods. Considering the evidence of the sources above published before her current birth date says she was born, we must assume she had it changed, which means the birth certificate is not a reliable source for the information. It makes sense why an actress would want to portray herself as younger, but, unfortunately, we're not here to cater to those desires, we're here to represent neutral, verifiable fact. And what can be verified by the California Birth Index and several newspaper sources is that she was born in 1965. That is what we should put. Silver  seren C 17:19, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks to Gomi on Wikipedia Review, there's this Reuters articles that may potentially have something to do with this or it may be about someone completely different, but: Actress sues IMDB for revealing her age. No proof this is Landau though. Is she living in Texas right now? Silver  seren C 20:05, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Feel free to speculate off-site about the identity of the actor behind that lawsuit, but it is my belief that your insinuations here that it is Landau are in violation of WP:BLP if included here. Having already removed them once, I won't do it again, but I will ask you to consider removing them yourself. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 22:38, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I only pointed it out so that we, as editors, can pay attention to the case and see if any news reports publish the identity of the actress, so we can see if it's her or not. It very likely is not her, I was just giving a possibility, since it's just listed as a Jane Doe. Me stating this is potentially something we should keep an eye on for more concrete evidence is not violating BLP. I am not accusing Mrs. Landau of anything, i'm just trying to keep up with possible information related to her in order to improve this article. Silver  seren C 23:44, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Going by information in further news articles on the case that definitely isn't Landau. "The actress - referred to in court documents by the placeholder name Jane Doe - lives in Texas, is of Asian descent and has an Americanised stage name." Landau uses her birth name and is of European/Jewish descent.RafikiSykes (talk) 01:24, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Good to know. Definitely not her then. No need to keep an eye on that case. Was this pointed out as a source above? It appears to be reliable, considering their about page. Huh, even her Rotten Tomatoes profile says 1965. Is there even any reliable source that says the same year as the birth certificate? Silver  seren C 04:56, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how many more references are needed to declare 1965 her birth year-- but here's yet another about the Landaus, from Good Housekeeping magazine in 1968 (Volume 167, page 66 of bound edition): "... then their daughters, Susan Meredith, seven, and Juliet Rose, three, would join them with a nurse for a week." It's clear that the supposed "birth certificate" someone claims to have seen is a fake or been altered. --HidariMigi (talk) 00:16, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I've gone ahead and added a hidden note on both the infobox and the lede birth dates, saying that talk page consensus is that the birth date is 1965, not 1972. And if a user wishes to change this, they must first discuss it on the talk page. I'm not sure how much good that will do if a persistent POV-pusher shows up, but it should deter some people at least. Silver  seren C 01:16, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I tweaked the second of the hidden notes slightly to encourage anyone who still has an issue to actually view the cited sources. I had my doubts momentarily too until I clicked on one of the them and saw the Google News Archive scan of an article from 1968 that makes things pretty cut and dry, in my opinion. 68.146.70.124 (talk) 17:36, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

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