Talk:June 2008 Midwest floods

Move
Move has been reverted. No consensus was reached (in fact, moving it to include US in the title is the minority on this talk page). Please do not move the page unless a wide consensus is reached here. Thank you. --   Me   Holla! 22:53, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Your revert has been reverted. There is no consensus to leave off the nation in the title. Please see: POV. Just saying Midwest could be confusing to those without a U.S.-centric mindset. --Tocino 02:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no local bias. The Midwest is the only region on the planet known as "The Midwest". Nobody said Midwest Asia or Midwest Europe. The added "US" is not necessary, and as Davumaya has said, the local common name is the one that should be/will be used. Thank you, though. --    Me   Holla! 10:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You are wrong. The Midwest (disambiguation) article says that there are two other regions in the world which are labelled Midwest or Mid West. --Tocino 18:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There's "Midwest", "Mid West", and "Central". They're all different.  --    Me   Holla! 18:52, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed they are different. In case you are not fluent in English Tocino, even a difference in spelling is significant in the English language. .:DavuMaya:. 19:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't patronize me. English is my native language. If you read the disambiguation page the Brazilian region is translated as Midwest and the Australian region is basically the same, there's only a slight difference in spelling. --Tocino 22:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Regardless, you cannot move pages unless there is a consensus of voters. Just because you think so isn't a good enough reason to move the page. --    Me   Holla! 23:42, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought the title was unfulfilling beforehand, and then I read on this talkpage that other editors had similar concerns. Keep in mind you also had no consensus to revert, and I easily could've kept this going but I don't want to start another pointless edit war. --Tocino 03:42, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't need consensus to revert, you need grounds, and the grounds for the revert was that you had no consensus. --    Me   Holla! 02:09, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * In an honest effort Tocino, you have assumed good faith to move the page but it was a little too bold of you unfortunately. Though there may be some argument that the title is as you say U.S.-centric, you must also recognize this is the English Wikipedia and the rule of thumb is to use the common or local name. Otherwise all our article titles would be full sentences in order to "technically" describe events. Let us have a little bit more discussion before a revert war begins. .:DavuMaya:. 02:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Rendering problem on Firefox 3/mac
I saw this problem over on the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact page as well: the color key doesn't show up in Firefox. (Since fixed on that page, see the talk section).

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The same in Safari:

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swain (talk) 20:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Update slap and satisfy notability
Okay, an anon IP has slapped Update monikers on lots of sections. I almost reverted them until I realized that this page is failing in notability by not fully reporting the follow through. It's akin to, when a news item stops being reported, no one cares anymore. That's happening to this page right now and as a result could arguably be purged in an AfD attempt. If you started a section, you must fulfill it by finding out the consequence, otherwise that section will fail notability (ie: if the flood didn't do anything significant, why should it be encyclopedic?). Simply being part of a 2008 Midwest flood is not good enough for the casual relationship to satisfy notability. .:davumaya:. 23:55, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Damage estimates are still being calculated, flood just recently ended, as in last week and this week, in some localities. Death tolls are current, and end dates are accurate. Once damage estiamtes and impact are available they can be added. National Gaurd is still active in Indiana, so I am sure it still so in the other states that were worst affected. Not enough time has passed to complete the article or for the full impact to be established. Charles Edward 23:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

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Inaccuracies in this Article with respect to the Iowa portion of the floods.
INACCURACIES Only a brief review of the Iowa portion of this article revealed a some inaccuracies which I will outline below.

The article, with respect to Cedar Rapids, Iowa, talks of levees and levees breaking. As a Cedar Rapidian, I know of only ONE levee in town. That levee did not break. It WAS overtopped quite early into the 2008 crisis. The rest of the river system through Cedar Rapids at that time (and as of 2016, remains nearly unchanged) was either lined on each side of the river with river walls, or had banks high enough to contain the river through moderate flood levels (and in fact, the subsequent 2013 flood that crested at 18.23 feet, or almost 13 feet below the 2008 event, did not significantly wet any streets in Cedar Rapids).

Reviewing other information in the article with respect to the Cedar River, I see that there is reference to a railroad bridge in Waterloo washing out. I remember at the time wondering which bridge this was, as I didn't recall (and still have not discovered) any active railroad lines directly linking Cedar Rapids with the Waterloo John Deere plant (as the AP article talks about). I have never discovered any other mention of this bridge in Waterloo. However, in Cedar Rapids, there were TWO railroad bridges that washed out. I wonder if the AP reporter at the time was confused about where he/she was reporting from?

Perhaps the WHOLE section referring to the Iowa portion of this 2008 event really needs to be completely wiped and replaced with ONLY the link to the article at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_flood_of_2008 which seems to contain somewhat more current information (though even it needs to be revised).

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