Talk:Kamala Nehru

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Taking up the task of refining this whole article Prashanthraghubangalore (talk) 05:59, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Your latest message seems reasonable. At least you have taken the trouble to read what I wrote. Since you have done that, why not correct any problems instead of erasing everything in one shot? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.182.176.230 (talk) 11:09, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi 59. The entire addition is problematic and I don't have access to the source to see what it actually says. If you look at Mahatma Gandhi, you'll see an example of a proper encyclopedic tone. Reading WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV might also help. --Neil N  talk to me 11:15, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow. Since you do not have a copy of the book, the whole thing must go. Does that seem right? I DO have a copy of the book, why does that count for nothing? Also, what is the abuse or slander I have included which needs to be verified for "what the book actually says?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.182.176.230 (talk) 11:24, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Since I don't have a copy of the book, I can't correct the many issues with your addition. I don't know what you're basing sentences like, "Indeed, the idea of a vacation in the hills was a novel one in Indian society at that time, and had been borrowed by Motilal from the colonial British custom of escaping the heat of the plains in the summer and spending those months in the hills", "The diffident and very Indian Kamala was thrown into this ultra-modern and highly westernized environment at the age of sixteen, to shift for herself and adjust as she could", and "Unfortunately, Kamala's husband (our future Prime Minister) was not sympathetic or understanding of her murmured complaints; he was as culturally distant from her as his sisters were." on. --Neil N  talk to me 11:31, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I followed the link you pointed me to and read the page about "attributing biased statements." I think the "bias" which you find in my writings can be stated like this: "Kamala grew up in an old-fashioned home. She had major problems adjusting to her husband's extremely westernized home. Even to the end, she remained something of a misfit." Is this the general bias which you detect? The thing is that this is a matter of fact, and a fairly large portion of the book fleshes out the many ways in which this fact played out throughout Kamala's life and Indira Gandhi's childhood, how it affected Indira's personality, family relationships and even her marriage to Feroze Gandhi. I have not written all this, because these matters are more suitable for the Indira Gandhi page.


 * Therefore, when it comes to "attributing biased statements," I have this very scholarly and non-controversial book by Katherine Frank as my definite citation and attribution. The basic issue which I described above are well known and confirmed by every many sources and even by Jawaharlal's own autobiography. They are actually non-controversial. Further, I do not know how to prove this to you, since you do not have the book, but all three of the sentences pointed out by you are summarizations of long paragraphs in the book, even the sentence about how the idea of a vacation in the hills was a sort of affirmation by Motilal of how modern and westernized he was.


 * I want to make one final point: that Kamala Nehru is notable only for being the wife of Jawaharlal and mother of Indira Gandhi. If details regarding her relationship with these people is not described, then what is the use of having this page on Wikipedia? Is the page here only for letting people know her date of birth?

I will copy-paste this discussion to the Kamala Nehru talk page. It will be easier for me to keep track of your reply.
 * Please read WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV fully. "For instance, "John Doe is the best baseball player" expresses an opinion and cannot be asserted in Wikipedia as if it were a fact." The three sample statement above all contain opinions. --Neil N  talk to me 13:37, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

"Spouse of the prime minister of India"
In the Infobox, she is "Spouse of the prime minister of India," with dates of her term in office being after the year of her death. With her husband's office having been created after her death, it stands to reason that she was in fact the "Spouse of the future prime minister of India." Can this be resolved?--Quisqualis (talk) 23:22, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Urgent need for Citations and improvement
Hello everyone. I came upon this page after reading Jawaharlal Nehru's autobiography, where he describes Kamala often.

First of all, I would like to thank the people who contributed to this article thus far.

However, this article has multiple issues - 1) It urgently needs more and better citations. (Just 3 for such a reasonably sized article?) 2) It appears to have a number of statements that do not have justification and seem to be peacock words added.

For example: in the opening paragraph, the statement about her being a women's rights activist - where is this mentioned? Jawaharlal Nehru, in his autobiography only mentions her sensitive nature often and the her become part of the freedom struggle during the non co-operation movement when Nehru was in jail, and of Kamala having gone to jail along with the other women of Congress. However he does not write much about being a women's activist. Women's activism was not much in vogue during the freedom struggle as the women were more involved in freedom for the men AND women of India from British imperialism

3) The article needs expansion. It seems too short for a person who had a profound impact on one of the founding fathers of modern India.

I will do some of the work mentioned above.

Any assistance from anyone would be most appreciated.

Cheers

Notthebestusername (talk) 02:58, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

"black forest" deteted
Deleted "black forest" from "Baudweiller (Black forest, Switzerland)" as, being a black forest native, I know for sure the black forest is not in Switzerland, and there is also no village called "Baudweiller" in it. --217.228.171.166 (talk) 23:40, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

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