Talk:Kansu Braves

Disclaimers
Out of curiosity, what's with the disclaimers on several of the pictures: "In this nianhua created by an anonymous artist who did not view the event, the following alleged event is shown"? If the events are merely alleged, say so in the prose and keep the caption simple.  Lord Vetinari  11:06, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Requesting move to Wuwei Rear Troop
As stated in the info box, the "Kansu Braves" was just a nick name, the official name was Wuwei Rear Troop. There is no reason to use nick name instead of official name as the article title. Arilang   talk  13:01, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Yong(Chinese:勇 English:Braves) was the official name of the local militia, exactly what Muslim Kansu Braves were. Only after they were official recruited into the Imperial Army as the Wuwei Rear Troop, they could then enjoyed the full benefit of the Imperial Army system, including pay and rations. After that, the name was changed changed into Bing (Chinese:兵 English:soldiers), and they were no longer Yong(Chinese:勇 English:Braves), so the name Muslim Kansu Braves is no longer accurate after their recruitment. Wikipedia should not use any name knowing it is an error. Arilang   talk  02:23, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

The origins of the Boxer War: a multinational study：Lanxin Xiang
248:Dong Fuxiang Army was the Rear Troop. Arilang   talk  13:01, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

hunting park
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Hunting park

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Attack on foreigners

http://books.google.com/books?id=fRSOIHe7gyIC&pg=PA95&lpg=PA95&dq=kansu+hunting+park&source=bl&ots=XSGs3KOZAI&sig=k99d476pbcQ9y8HL51o_KVeo48c&hl=en&sa=X&ei=K3sdUL-1Gca10AG31IC4Bg&ved=0CE8Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=kansu%20hunting%20park&f=false

Langfang

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Langfang

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Langfang

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Langfang

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Legations

http://books.google.com/books?id=fdk8AAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=fdk8aaaaiaaj&source=bl&ots=rlj81jBVe9&sig=dIvKQEwvZZNZHVB4n-v0M5krrSQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dTE1UOPNKObo6wGB-oBw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=kansu%20braves&f=false

Temples of Heaven and Agriculture

http://books.google.com/books?id=lHJeY-NOWuoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=lhjey-nowuoc&source=bl&ots=4l8Ze9T2ls&sig=6wO-fZiGG4izWCYnSQJUy2qUDpk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=nTE1UImoHITJ6wHU2IHoBg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=kansu%20braves&f=false

Theatre scuffle

http://books.google.com/books?id=KcEtAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=kcetaaaayaaj&source=bl&ots=M8AsJHdGVq&sig=squIib35_oIE_aZ6Mrn5gpsaEKM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=8DE1UP31G8ao6wGd2ICIDA&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=kansu%20braves&f=false

"tower of defence for China"

http://books.google.com/books?id=wGtxAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=wgtxaaaamaaj&source=bl&ots=xddGgVut-W&sig=7CKL1k6zL7dcjZbB9S4SrIDEiVw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=gDI1UNvkGajb6wGZ4oGgBA&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=kansu%20braves&f=false

"tower of defence for China"

http://books.google.com/books?id=HGsAAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=hgsaaaaayaaj&source=bl&ots=mEkapC6LbQ&sig=Nmi_PC1BWg0NsTahVyyVWsRt9I8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oDI1UPzvJIHF6wHZjIGIAQ&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=snippet&q=kansu%20braves&f=false

theatre scuffle

http://books.google.com/books?id=IqpFfU-AVrUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=iqpffu-avruc&source=bl&ots=GZ5hYjEomF&sig=-6WZVuFu_cSo_4wEMfqCwIZpX5s&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tzI1UNfXOaPd6wGKlYGYAw&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=kansu%20braves&f=false

Temples of Heaven and Agriculture

http://archive.org/stream/indiscreetletter008256mbp/indiscreetletter008256mbp_djvu.txt

http://www.oocities.org/faskew/Colonial/Glossary/China.htm

http://thebengalclubla.com/tbc_game03.asp

Enver

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZfIhAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA243&lpg=PA243&dq=enver+pasha+sent+kansu+concerned&source=bl&ots=Q405pTd431&sig=GEI92CxVl7jJJ3eo_VyHk58RbCs&hl=en#v=onepage&q=enver%20pasha%20sent%20kansu%20concerned&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=pEfWaxPhdnIC&pg=PA121&lpg=PA121&dq=seymour+expedition+muslims&source=bl&ots=jSV8vr5mZ4&sig=2m9DVzbWpigHoTpmBWZFozQwMPw&hl=en#v=onepage&q=seymour%20expedition%20muslims&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=fmptAAAAMAAJ&q=enver+pasha+kansu+concerned&dq=enver+pasha+kansu+concerned&source=bl&ots=38Rd0zornP&sig=XEIt2I3apYF5c-etG4spFX5pUrE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VTlBULmfOOOR7AHm-IHoDQ&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAQ

http://books.google.com/books?ei=VTlBULmfOOOR7AHm-IHoDQ&id=fmptAAAAMAAJ&dq=enver+pasha+sent+kansu+concerned&q=enver+pasha+#search_anchor

http://newspapers.nl.sg/Digitised/Article/straitstimes19010710.2.4.aspx

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mendsetting (talk • contribs) 02:52, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Summer Palace

http://books.google.com/books?id=fNhAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=kansu+braves&source=bl&ots=_A0PAobzm-&sig=2_XR0XX_y8LgCqE-0yw3ySs_P-k&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jXB2UIe8GYm50QGFoIAo&ved=0CFUQ6AEwCDhu#v=onepage&q=kansu%20braves&f=false

07:29, 11 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Letrrae (talk • contribs)

Assaulted two British engineers

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/23837836

http://books.google.com/books?id=zs4mAQAAMAAJ&q=10000+mohammedan+rabble+boxer&dq=10000+mohammedan+rabble+boxer&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PzagUOmrNMPX0QHZ0YDACA&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA

p 103 "This unit was a disorderly rabble of about 10,000 men, most of whom were Mohammedans. They were poorly armed ... op.cit., vol. 1, p. 406. had been based on the German system, but some modifications 103 Hundred Days & Boxer Rebellion."

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P 240 "... was stationed northeast of Peking, was a disorderly rabble of about 10,000 men, most of whom were Mohammedans, ... Ifian Shih-k'ai and the Pel-vang Arm ? In December, I899, during the Boxer disturbances, Yuan Shih- k'ai was named ..."

Seyeednu (talk) 23:37, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Page 190

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Rajmaan (talk) 20:00, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Conduct during the siege of the legations
"The old convert, of whose character the French Fathers spoke disparagingly, showed not the slightest reluctance to take our reply, and it was surmised that he had secured a friendly reception from the enemy hy promising information as to our position and resources. He was sent out at noon on the 15th by the sluice gate, followed, within an hour, by the man who had come in with him. It had been intended that they should be dispatched together, but, owing to a misunderstanding, this was not done, and the second man was fired at by the Chinese soldiers outside, with what effect is not known. There was much rifle fire on the afternoon of the 15th, and one of the Student Interpreters of the Legation, Mr, Warren, was wounded at a loophole at a barricade in the Fu. It was doubtful at first whether his wound, though known to be serious, would prove fatal, but he died early in the night. He had done his duty gallantly throughout the siege. Next morning, early (16th July) there occurred the greatest loss which our defence had yet suffered, in the death of Captain Strouts, commanding the detachment of Royal Marine Light Infantry. He was hit while walking in the Fu with Colonel Shiba and the "Times " correspondent, Dr. G. Morrison, and died within two or three hours from exhaustion, due to the loss of blood. It is impossible for me to adequately express my regret for his loss. Captain Strouts and Mr. Warren were buried at 6 o'clock in the evening, and just as the funeral procession was being formed, word was brought that a messenger with a white flag was advancing from the North Bridge towards the main gate of the Legation. As he came nearer, he was recognized as the old convert. His approach, which owing to his feebleness was very slow and deliberate, was accompanied by a succession of shells from a Krupp gun, most of which burst over the Legation. One exploded close to a group outside the gate, who were waving handkerchiefs to encourage him. He brought a letter to myself, and a telegram in cypher to the United States' Minister, transmitted through the Chinese Minister in Washington. The reply to this, a terse statement of our experiences, has been published. The tone and style of the communication to myself were different from that of the letter of the 14th. Our refusal to proceed to the Yamen was accepted without demur, and assurances given that the Legations would henceforth be properly protected. So great was the change in the tone of this letter that we suspected something to have happened in the outside world alarming to the Chinese Government. In this we were correct, for on the 11th July the native city of Tien-tsin had been taken, and probably an immediate advance on Peking was feared. There followed on the receipt of this letter a suspension of hostilities for several days. Some shells were fired the next morning, but they were the last until the closing days of the siege, and for ten or twelve days there was no heavy rifle firing. The Chinese troops showed themselves freely without arms on all their barricades, came forward to talk to our men, and explained that orders had now been received not to fire. This ready obedience to the orders to cease fire showed how completely under the control of the Government had been the previous attacks. We were far from reciprocating the confidence they showed in our good faith, aud were at much pains, both by verbal explanations and warning placards, to make clear to them that il they came too close they would be shot, but it was very difficult to restrain their curiosity to see more of our defences. There were noteworthy differences, however, between the troops on different sides of us, those to the north and west—all Kansuh men under Tung-fu-hsiang— remaining sullen and suspicious. From other directions, and especially on the east, where Jung Lu's troops were posted, it was possible to obtain supplies (small, but welcome) of eggs and vegetables, the sellers being smuggled through the Chinese soldiers' lines in spite of the prohibition of their officers, and it was from this side that the messengers came with all later letters. They declared, in fact, that they could not get through the troops on our western side without being shot. The truce, by whatever motives dictated, was very welcome, and we were anxious not to abbreviate it by any action of ours, but it was evidently regarded by the Chinese Government as likely to be but temporary, for on all sides the work of strengthening their barricades and gun-platforms proceeded. So great was their activity in this direction as to give some ground for a suspicion that the truce was treacherously designed to enable these works to be carried out without danger from our fire—a suspicion strengthened by reports (since ascertained to have been correct) that mines were also being dug under different parts of our lines. Against these we took unremitting precautions in the shape of trenches and counter-mines,"

Papers by Command, Volume 105 By Great Britain. Parliament. House of Commons

http://books.google.com/books?id=ds85AQAAIAAJ&pg=RA2-PA30#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=3F4LAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA30#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=R5tPAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA137#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=rJgAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA1246#v=onepage&q&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=eSiGQwAACAAJ

Title	The Boxer Catastrophe, by Chester C. Tan Author	Chester C. Tan Editor	Columbia university. Faculty of political science. [New York.]. Publisher	Columbia University Press, 1955 Length	284 pages Rajmaan (talk) 02:30, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Langfang
Page 106

"The last train, shuttling supplies between the base at Tientsin and the spearhead, was blocked at Yangtsun, where the steel bridge over the Pei Ho River was held by well-armed Boxer bands, with General Nieh Shih-cheng's relatively efficient and foreign-trained army also in the vicinity. Admiral ... The pursuit was conducted by General Tung Fu-hsiang's Moslem cavalry from Kansu Province. The fact that ..."

http://books.google.com/books?id=LYVxAAAAMAAJ&q=Kansu+tientsin+boxer&dq=Kansu+tientsin+boxer&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MDynUNvcGuXV0gGKzYBY&ved=0CE0Q6AEwCTge

Page 79

"Captured banners identified the Kansu warriors of General Tung Fu-hsiang, an ex-bandit who stood high in the ... contingencies had come to pass: the Chinese armies had been ordered to make common cause with the Boxers. This ruled out all possibility of renewing the advance on Peking. Seymour prepared to withdraw down the river towards Tientsin, whence the mutter of distant gunfire was now ..."

http://books.google.com/books?id=pHrZAAAAMAAJ&q=Kansu+tientsin+boxer&dq=Kansu+tientsin+boxer&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3DynUOr6D--I0QGc-4DgBg&ved=0CEoQ6AEwCDgo

Page 13

"Imperial proclamations began to show evidences of Court sympathy with the Boxers, who grew bolder and committed many outrages in the northern provinces . ... German and Austrian — were sent from Tientsin by rail and almost immediately after their arrival communications with the ... came down from Kansu with a horde of mixed Moslem and Chinese cavalry, who at once fraternized with the Boxers."

http://books.google.com/books?id=XjsbAAAAIAAJ&q=Kansu+tientsin+boxer&dq=Kansu+tientsin+boxer&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2j6nULvQM6SX0QGLg4HICQ&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAzhk

Page 228

"... to the French Consul at Canton that General Tung Fu-hsiang with his wild Kansu levies has gone over to the Boxers, and is joining them in besieging the Legations. If the Tsungli YamSn's promised escort brings the Legations to the sea, i.e. to Tientsin, what sort of a welcome will they ... Their idea of the Boxers is what Li Hung-chang calls them, a fanatical rabble, thousands of whom could be dispersed ..."

http://books.google.com/books?id=7ogdAQAAMAAJ&q=Kansu+tientsin+boxer&dq=Kansu+tientsin+boxer&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2j6nULvQM6SX0QGLg4HICQ&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBDhk

Page 97

"6 Ch'anghsinhen was cut off when the Boxers attacked the junction at Fengtai on May 25th and hotel proprietor, the ... soldiers from remote Kansu province and there were rumors that the I Tientsin force were to be massacred when they ..."

http://books.google.com/books?id=3hRWAAAAYAAJ&q=Kansu+tientsin+boxer&dq=Kansu+tientsin+boxer&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2j6nULvQM6SX0QGLg4HICQ&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBThk

Rajmaan (talk) 17:54, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

The Boxer Rebellion, Kansu Braves, World War 2 and the Muslim Ma Clan
Pg145

http://www.academia.edu/4427135/The_Chinese_Islamic_Goodwill_Mission_to_the_Middle_East_-_Japonyaya_Karsi_Savasta_Cinli_Muslumanlarin_Orta_Dogu_iyi_Niyet_Heyeti_-_Wan_LEI

The Boxer Rebellion had repurcussions up to World War 2. The Muslim warlord Ma Hongkui, basically told the Japanese in WW2 the death of his clansmen (including his uncle Ma Fulu) during the Boxer Rebellion at the hands of the 8 nation alliance  (including Japan) was unavenged, so Ma Hongkui and his cousin Ma Hongbin would have to fight the Japanese. (Ma Hongkui was Ma Fuxiang's son, Ma Hongbin was Ma Fulu's son).

Rajmaan (talk) 05:15, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

https://books.google.com/books?id=W9ZAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA235&lpg=PA235&dq=kansu+sugiyama+head+heart&source=bl&ots=4NoQ7esfbU&sig=idf9Rms31mZHeGYKSmQzW7NG_AM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDAQ6AEwA2oVChMI6oDS-rODxwIVS3A-Ch0dFwne#v=onepage&q=kansu%20sugiyama%20head%20heart&f=false

http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/50360185/

https://archive.org/stream/indiscreetletter008256mbp/indiscreetletter008256mbp_djvu.txt

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.2753/CSH0009-4633100335?journalCode=mcsh20#.VbpspvlGR9g

http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbook_text/China_in_Convulsion_1000031259/253

http://library.uoregon.edu/ec/e-asia/read/boxrise.pdf

http://www.jhuapl.edu/ourwork/nsa/papers/China%20ReliefSm.pdf

http://scholarworks.gsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1032&context=sociology_diss

http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.13173/centasiaj.57.2014.0185?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

甘军
I see the modern spelling Gansu braves is being used more now than it was before... In ictu oculi (talk) 17:48, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

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