Talk:Karposh's rebellion

Raso
Once again - try to adhere to NPOV and try to discuss your reverts. Till now you haven't shown any willingness to discuss problem issues. You only say you don't have time to do it. If you don't have time to write a few words here, then you shouldn't have the time to edit at all, isn't that right? -- L a v e o l  T 22:57, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Karposh, the Macedonian
A reliable source would be required in order to assign an ethnicity to Karposh, the leader of the rebellion. I am confident that no such reliable source exists. That said, I understand the importance of the Karposh rebellion in the contemporary Macedonian national consciousness and in Macedonian historiography. I would support the inclusion of a section on the modern "Macedonian Karaposh" once the historical Karaposh has been better documented. Aramgar (talk) 01:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually there is no need for a section here - he's in the disambiguation page already.-- L a v e o l  T 09:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I am not speaking of the Hristijan Todorovski Karpoš of the disambiguation page. I refer to the rather shadowy 17th century rebel discussed in this article. Histories of Macedonia written by Macedonians tend to point to the Karposh rebellion as an early stirring of Macedonian national consciousness, hence the persistence of some editors in assigning him an ethnicity here. If someone feels strongly enough about his supposedly Macedonian ethnicity, let him discuss it in a section about Karaposh in contemporary Macedonian historiography. I think we both agree that claiming that the historical Karposh was Macedonian is pure anachronism. Aramgar (talk) 13:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Karaposh and the Kosovo Albanians
I have seen specifically Yugoslav histories crediting the suppression of the rebellion and the subsequent withdraw of Slavic, Christian populations to the north as opening Kosovo to Albanian settlers. Could someone comment on the validity of this view, preferably with reference to reliable sources? Aramgar (talk) 01:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Macedonian uprising
Please, provide references about the Macedonaian ethnic character of the rebels before reverting. Karposh, himself was from Rhodopi, also undisputed Bulgarian. Jingby (talk) 13:21, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Nothing was provided. Only reverts. Jingby (talk) 16:26, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Please, stop disruptive editing and discuss before reverting! Jingby (talk) 12:45, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

What part here is objectionable, untrue, or a matter of opinion that was needs discussing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BenFranklinPhilly (talk • contribs) 22:47, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

The deletion of the term Bulgarian in this article and its substitution with the term Macedonian is ultra-nationalistic POV
Throughout the Middle Ages and until the early 20th century, there was no clear formulation or expression of a distinct Macedonian ethnicity. The Slavic speaking majority in the Region of Macedonia had been referred to (both, by themselves and outsiders) as Bulgarians, and that is how they were predominantly seen since 10th,  up until the early 20th century. It is generally acknowledged that the ethnic Macedonian identity emerged in the late 19th century or even later. However, the existence of a discernible Macedonian national consciousness prior to the 1940s is disputed. Anti-Serban and pro-Bulgarian feelings among the local population at this period prevailed. According to some researchers, by the end of the war a tangible Macedonian national consciousness did not exist and bulgarophile sentiments still dominated in the area, but others consider that it hardly existed. After 1944 Communist Bulgaria and Communist Yugoslavia began a policy of making Macedonia into the connecting link for the establishment of new Balkan Federative Republic and stimulating here a development of distinct Slav Macedonian consciousness. With the proclamation of the Socialist Republic of Macedonia as part of the Yugoslav federation, the new authorities also started measures that would overcome the pro-Bulgarian feeling among parts of its population. In 1969 also the first History of the Macedonian nation was published. The past was systematycally falsified to conceal the truth, that most of the well-known Macedonians had felt themselves to be Bulgarians and generations of students were tought the pseudo-history of the Macedonian nation.

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Offshoot from Karposh's rebellion
Per Content forking a new article called Second Battle of Kumanovo is either for merge or for deletion, because it is an offshoot from Karposh's rebellion. Jingiby (talk) 06:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I support merging. Mccapra (talk) 05:31, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. There wasn't really anything of substance to merge which came from reliable sourcing. Added the name of the battle and the two valid sources, but the other material from the other article was already summarized here. Onel 5969  TT me 13:49, 4 October 2020 (UTC)