Talk:Katherine McNamara

Relevance of fictional characters parents names
Two issues with the reversion of my recent edits, thus two headlines: First: Why is it necessary or relevant to mention the names of the parents of McNamara's Role on Arrow? In my opinion this doesn't add anything. The important Information are the show and perhaps the Role, the parents of that role are not important, especially not in the introduction. All the weight the information has that Mia Smoak is the daughter of Oliver Queen (and Felicity Smoak) only comes into play, if one knows that Oliver Queen is the main character of Arrow. If one does not know this, the information is useless. Imagine the sentence being "McNamara play character A on Show B, the daughter of character C and character D." You have to know who character C and character D are to understand the importance of the circumstance, that character A is their daughter. If in turn the article would say "In 2018, McNamara joined the cast of Arrow for its seventh season, playing Mia Smoak, the main character's daughter". This gives everyone, whether they know Oliver Queen or not, everything they need to know. Although I believe that "In 2018, McNamara joined the cast of Arrow for its seventh season, playing Mia Smoak." would suffice. For comparison, the article for Joseph David-Jones doesn't mention the relationship of his character(s) to any other character. Ben Lewis' Article does mention his characters relation in the chapter career, but not in the introduction, although it doesn't use the characters civil name but it's superhero alter ego. Actually the more I think about it, shouldn't the introduction be as compact as possible anyway? So wouldn't it be better to pack McNamara's most notable roles in one sentence? Like this: "She is known for her roles as Clary Fray on Shadowhunters and as Mia Smoak on Arrow." --92.192.2.143 (talk) 19:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)


 * The characters are linked so there is no need to remove them from the article, which you did – the links are right there if somebody wants more information. I don't really have an opinion on shortening the lede, but they certainly do not need to be removed from the body of the article as it establishes why her character was particularly important on Arrow. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:54, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

The Devouring Gray
Second: How did I source the information improperly? The YouTube video has McNamara herself talking about this new project. She also links from her verified Instagram and Twitter accounts. YouTube videos are repeatedly used as source in this article and if I filled the template wrong, surely there are better ways to fix my mistakes than just reverting the edit, right? --92.192.2.143 (talk) 19:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:YOUTUBE. If this project actually goes forward, then it will be picked up places like Variety or Deadline Hollywood – we should wait until it is reported there, as those are WP:RSs, before adding it to the article. Short of that, it's likely a WP:CRYSTALBALL violation. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:57, 9 November 2020 (UTC)


 * As IJBall implied, many projects are "announced", but comparatively few actually get made. Announcements are just hot air.136.49.157.251 (talk) 01:07, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Lede para
I don't think the first sentence of the lede para should mention Maze Runner. Her role is pretty minor, and she's barely in the third movie. It can be mentioned along with her other roles in subsequent sentences.42.73.1.53 (talk) 03:36, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm on the fence about whether it belongs in the lede at all (she is somewhat promiment in the second MR film), but I would have no objection to moving it to the second sentence of the lede. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 07:13, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, done.36.227.65.20 (talk) 16:23, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

The Stand (2020 miniseries) -- using 2020 vs 2021 airdate
Don't want an edit war to happen, so we might as well discuss here. While I understand why some want to use 2021 (since McNamara's episodes aired in 2021), The Stand is a miniseries with an initial publication date of 2020 (it began airing in December 2020). The story is a unitary whole, not a multi-season TV show or even a single-season with multiple story arcs (such as Flash Season 7, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flash_(season_7) ).136.49.32.166 (talk) 00:46, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * We always list the year/date the actor's episodes appeared in. Think about it – if someone did a random guest appearance in Hawaii Five-0 (2010 TV series), we don't list "2010", but the year the episode they appeared in airs(/is released). It's exactly the same for recurring roles: it doesn't matter than the first episode of The Stand was released in 2020 – what matters is that the episodes McNamara actually appeared in were released in 2021 (not 2020, which would be a misleading date). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:23, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Your example negates your argument. She didn't "guest appear" in The Stand, and The Stand is a miniseries. It was not designed to be a multi-season show.136.49.32.166 (talk) 03:45, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not a true "miniseries" – it's a "limited series", which is basically a one-season TV series. So, no, the rules are exactly the same as for any TV series. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:07, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Let's get a third opinion –, what do you think? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:08, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I would always use the year(s) of appearance. It doesn't matter whether the show was a miniseries that premiered the year before... the filmography table lists appearances and those appearances are noted by the date(s) they happened, not the debut year of the work in which they happened. That is, the year refers to the appearance, not the work. The table says "2021, The Stand, Julie Lawry, Miniseries; recurring role". Putting that in prose, we get In 2021, McNamara appeared in the miniseries The Stand as Julie Lawry in a recurring role. It would clearly be wrong to say "In 2020" as she didn't appear in The Stand in 2020. —Joeyconnick (talk) 05:09, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Right. Put another way, if she had appeared in the first episode of The Stand too, we would put "2020–2021" in the table, not just "2020". There really is no argument for listing just "2020", unless she had appeared in just the first episode of the series. But that's not the case here – all of her episode appearances for The Stand were released in 2021. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:14, 9 November 2021 (UTC)


 * IJBall, I'm open to discussing this idea (and I'm leaning towards 2021 based on the argument that a limited series is a single-season TV series), but come on, Joeyconnick? This is the guy who goes around making a mess of Filmography tables all over Wikipedia (as we have already discussed previously on your Talk Page). 136.49.32.166 (talk) 21:04, 10 November 2021 (UTC)