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Southern state

How did Kentucky become a southern state? It was on the Union side during the Civil War. Pollinator 03:27, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Actually, Kentucky was seriously split internally during the Civil War. The areas of large farms -- i.e., the Bluegrass and parts of the Pennyrile and Jackson Purchase -- were strongly sympathetic with the Confederacy, while the areas of mines and small farms -- i.e., the Cumberland Plateau and the western Coal Fields -- were in the Union camp. So, yes, Kentucky was officially a Union state but, like Missouri, that status just didn't reflect reality. Why do you think that Morgan's Raiders were able to successfully use Kentucky as a base? jaknouse 17:20, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Disambiguation

I was going to add the following disambiguation, but I noticed that a lot of articles point to Kentucky.

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Kentucky is used to refer to:

the United States state of Kentucky.
the Kentucky Fried Chicken fast-food restaraunt.

So what do others think about putting up the above disambiguation on the Kentucky article?

There are other titles for the state of Kentucky, such as:

-- Maio 03:31, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I don't think Kentucky is used to refer to the restaurant. I would not say, "I'm going to Kentucky for lunch" or "I'm going to have Kentucky for lunch." In either case I'd use the full phrase, "Kentucky Fried Chicken," or the abbreviation "KFC". -- Ortonmc 03:47, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that most Americans don't refer to it as "Kentucky", but people from other country do so. For example, in Puerto Rico, people refer to it as "Kentucky"; for the simple reason that nothing else is named like that in the country. And yes, they do say "I'm going to Kentucky for lunch" and "I'm going to have Kentucky for lunch".

I've learned to always assume the worst from people's intelligence.. lets assume that a Puerto Rican uses the English Wikipedia and searches for "Kentucky", but the page that appears is the one from the state. As he has always referred to it as "Kentucky" and not "Kentucky Fried Chicken" or "KFC", the person simply couldn't find the information: hence, a reason for the disambiguation. Remember that not everyone knows about the state of Kentucky. A similar thing happens with Georgia (state or country), although it is obvious that the latter should have a disambiguation page.

I'm pretty much looking for input, as a lot of articles link to "Kentucky" and creating a disambiguation would create more work. Thanks for your reply. :)

--Maio 07:44, Jan 10, 2004 (UTC)

I think, in the english wikipedia at least, that Kentucky the state would have a lot more linkage than does Kentucky [Fried Chicken] the restaurant, so just put a single line at the top or bottom, italicized, preferably that says:

This is the U.S. state of Kentucky. Kentucky is also a common Caribbean nickname for Kentucky Fried Chicken.

--jengod 09:37, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Done. That option totally slipped to me, even tho I have used it in other articles! hehe. --Maio 21:48, Jan 11, 2004 (UTC)

You learn something new every day. I would never have guessed KFC is called "Kentucky" in PR. Given that, I like jengod's suggestion. -- Ortonmc 23:12, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Kentucky almost always refers to the state. I've moved the article back, since it's pointless if this redirects to the disambiguated title. I don't even think the disambiguation should be added on top. It can be mentioned wherever KFC is mentioned in the article. --Jia ng 01:52, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Changing the introduction to delete reference to Confederacy

I read with surprise the statement that Kentucky was the 13th State to join the Confederacy. Kentucky never joined the Confederacy. Below I quote from Kentucky's Official Tourism cabinet webpage, which describes some of Kentucky history during the Civil War:

"On April 12, 1861, Confederate troops bombarded Fort Sumter, a Union position off the coast of South Carolina. Defending the fort was Kentucky native Major Robert Anderson. With the fall of the fort, war began. Following the capitulation of Fort Sumter, President Lincoln called for 75,000 troops to suppress the rebellion. Governor Magoffin refused, stating, “Kentucky will furnish no troops for the wicked purpose of subduing her sister Southern States.” The next day, however, Magoffin had to turn down a similar request from Confederate President, Jefferson Davis. Although Magoffin stood for the state’s sovereignty, many Kentuckians favored neutrality and hoped the Bluegrass State could hammer out a compromise between the hostile sides. On May 16, the Kentucky House of Representatives voted that Kentucky would remain neutral during the conflict. Four days later the senate and governor approved the policy. Any hopes of mediation were eventually crushed, however, for a majority of the legislature supported the Union cause.

Although neutrality had been adopted, Kentuckians flocked to both armies. Soon, the Federal and Confederate governments began procuring arms for Kentucky sympathizers. On August 5, 1861, state elections ended the policy of neutrality. As Southerners boycotted the election, Unionist candidates won a sweeping victory."

User:Flaubert 6:15, July 30, 2005

Another reason for neutrality is the Kentucky is the birthplace of both U.S. President Abraham Lincoln and Confederate President Jefferson Davis. Although admittedly, I'm not sure if it's a **major reason** for neutrality, it is an interesting historical fact,... Dr. Cash 19:35, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Paleblue 03:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)Actually, according to Clement Eaton, in his book Jefferson Davis, Kentucky did join the Confederacy. After it was clear that the Unionist legislature in Frankfort would keep Kentucky in the Union, a group of secessionist citizens met and declared that the true will of Kentucky was to join the Confederacy. They elected themselves to office and sent a delegation to the Confederate Congress. The Confederate Congress accepted Kentucky into the union. Kentucky had a star on the flag and everything. The Confederate Government of Kentucky was ineffectual to the extreme, from what I've read, but it did exist.

Old Abe 00:59, 4 April 2006 (UTC) They never joined because they were smart enough not to be hanged. Trust me I'm an expert on Kentucky. Bowling Green was the Confederate capital of Kentucky.

Paleblue 02:05, 9 April 2006 (UTC)I think this is an argument over semantics. At one point in time, Kentucky was not accepted by the Confederacy as a part of the Confederacy. At a later point, Kentucky was accepted by the Confederacy as a part of the Confederacy. There was a transition between these two states. Thus, it can be stated that Kentucky joined the Confederacy. Though, I suppose one could argue that Kentucky joined the Confederacy only from the point of the Confederacy. Which may be true.

That said, Kentucky was accepted by the Union as a part of the Union. Kentucky was also proclaimed by the government in Frankfort to be part of the Union. The Confederacy only ever controlled a small portion of the state, and that for only a short while.

I am doing my humanities sufficiency on Kentucky's involvement in the Civil War, with a focus on the reasons and consequences of her declared neutrality, so I'm knee deep in research about the subject. I have Coulter's The Civil War and Readjustment in Kentucky at my shoulder as I type. Can you suggest any other sources I might find useful?

Ugly!

That List of famous Kentuckians is atrociously ugly! If there isn't room on this page to do it right, it really should be on another page. RickK 02:40, 4 May 2004 (UTC)

View the German Kentucky

hello there! this article could be much better. view the german entry to de:Kentucky and translate, if u want to. the german article go to be an excellent artcile in the german wikipedia!

watever dude!- saminator

Offensive Stereotype Removed

I removed this offensive material from the page: it seems obviously beneath the Wikipedia standard. However, because I don't like deleting material wholesale, I have copied the material here. Is there anything else I should do? Alan Canon 18:05, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The population of Kentucky is predominantly extremely premative hilljacks. The individuals who dwell within this Commonwealth are to blame for the excessive use of redneck terms and phrases, especially "Gitrdun". It is also neccessary to be said that the biological background of the population is underterminable due to the excessive imbreeding. In fact, 2 out of 3 family trees in Kentucky will never branch and occaisionally go in circles.

This is a case where a simple revert (aka "slap in the face") would have been just fine. :) — Stevie is the man! ^{Talk | Work} 20:40, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wow, what idoit wrote that? That should be a ban.--Dp462090 01:18, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree, what an idiot. If you will look closely this individual lacks in his own use of the English language and primitive is not the only word mispelled. I would be glad to welcome this individual to Kentucky and prove him wrong. At the same time I think that I could correct his attitude by "getting the job done" providing him with a good ole Kentucky ass whipping. LOL. We are nice people in Kentucky and our family trees do fork, but what tree are you from? Obviously a thorned bush that is shallow rooted in poor soil. Pull out the thorn and get over your pretentious self. At least use spell check on your computer the next time you try to enlighten the world on your idiotic views, ok. If you had kept your mouth shut everyone wouldn't have know that you were so stupid.

Ticks me off. They call us premative but can't even spell primitive correctly. What hippocritical shame. Эйрон Кинни (t) 07:12, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

State Dog

Didn't the beagle become the state dog? -Hoekenheef 18:00, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The state government website has this link to a resource for children called, How the Beagle Could Become Kentucky's State Dog. It's a coloring book designed to teach about the legislative process. But it seems to be hypothetical, as evidenced by the number of the bill (SB1). In searching the recent legislative records, I don't find any mention of beagle, except to the above resource. My guess is that Kentucky doesn't yet have a state dog. --Tom Allen 11:18, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up. -Hoekenheef 11:41, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

KY and the metros

I'm the one who added the part about how the metros only make up 45% of KY's population. Here's the evidence. I'm amazed. I thought it was a strong majority. Copy and paste. -Amit [C:\Documents and Settings\Amit Thakkar\My Documents\kymetro.htm]

That would be a file on your PC, no one can access it.--Dp462090 01:15, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Judge-Executive

I referred to a Judge-Executive in my Cedar Creek Lake (Kentucky) article and created a link about to judge-executive. The link is red. Fine, I'll go find out more information about it and create an article about what judge-executives are.

Here's the funny thing: From what I can tell by searching Google, elected officials known as judge-executives are only unique to Kentucky. Even when I subtraced -kentucky and -ky from the search results, there were pages where Judge and Executive happened to be next to each other and the ones without Kentucky in them were still referring to Kentucky.

This could be an interesting addition to this wiki-pedia article or an interesting new article.

Here's my defination of that word:

"A judge-executive is a politician who is the elected cheif executive officer of Kentucky county governments." Judge Executive is a term which replaced County Judge in Kentucky counties.

Can anyone dispute this or add to this? I'm sure other state's county governments have officials such as that, but I don't know what titled they're called.

Cuisine of Kentucky

I have started a Cuisine of Kentucky page and wonder if any of you all think it should be polished up before I link to it in the main article. --Rakista 22:20, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

R vs D state

I removed the text: "As in other areas of the South, the Republican Party dominates state government and federal government." This misrepresents the current and recent state political party control. Fletcher, elected in 2003, is the first Republican gov. in 30 years. The next year, the person he defeated, Dem. Ben Chandler, won the U.S. Congress seat that Fletcher vacated to take office. The Kentucky Senate is controlled by Reps. The Kentucky House is controlled by Dems. Kentucky AG, State Auditor, and State Treasure are Dems. Sec. of State and Agriculture are Reps. The mayors of the two largest cities are Dems. Kentucky is a divided state. It is not dominated by one party.--FloNight 01:08, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Cumberland Gap

Neutral and broader description of this important passageway.--FloNight 04:39, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Region Kentucky is in

Is Kentucky in the South or the Midwest? You may answer the question right here. Heegoop, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

It depends on whom you ask. Like many places along a "border" between regions, Kentucky could be classified as either the South or the Midwest. In the article on the Southern United States, note that Kentucky is shaded on the graphic at the top of the page. Much of the complexity relates to the history of the U.S. Kentucky was a western (at that time) frontier state, formed by settlers from both the North and South. Both Lincoln and Jefferson Davis were born in Kentucky, and Kentucky (for a time) declared its neutrality in the American Civil War. I usually tell people that Kentucky is part of the "Upper South," to be distinguished from the "Deep South" (Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi, for example). But it really depends on where you travel in the state. Culturally, Louisville is more of a midwestern city. Northern Kentucky (suburban Cincinnati, OH), is also more midwestern. Lexington is more southern in character. Then there's Eastern Kentucky, which is Appalachian, and thus culturally distinct from both the midwest and the south. --Tom Allen 02:36, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Personally, I'd say South, because it is also commonly listed as such and is part of the Bible belt. As a border state in the Civil War, there are many differing opinions. Эйрон Кинни (t) 07:55, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

St. Louis or Cincinnati are not the definiton of Midwestern cities as they are too often considered to have a strong Southern inflence and are the cities Louisville is compared to when some people categorize it as the Midwest (Cincinnai more than St. Louis; St. Louis got there Southern vibe from the black Migration to the North). Cincinnati as called by residence of upper Ohio Cincinatucky is obviously more mix of Southern and Midwestern. Louisville is more of a boom town to all, But maybe 5 Midwestern cities when it comes to population growth. Also Louisville is growing faster than New Orleans (post Katrina) and just about every major Louisiana, Alabama, and mississippi cities.

The fact is that Louisville has much more Culturally, Historically, and Architecturally in common with Memphis than St. Louis. Afterall most people view Louisville as a Southern city. Louisville was (back in the 19th century) actually defined as the manufacturing Captial of the South and the Gateway city to the South. Due to Louisville's location on the Ohio, which helped it to attract to Industry to the area just like other Southern River cities suchas Memphis and New Orleans and even non river cities like Birmingham. Louisville's title as the manufacturing Capital of the South also came into play when the L&N (Louisville and Nashville) (there was no L&C; Louisville and Chicago) was constructed that connected Louisville to Nashville and further South to Atlanta. Louisville also had one of the largest slave owning populations (there were no slaves in the North except for the southern edge of Missouri) in the country (even though it was just across the river from a free state) which was just a reflection of it's state which had the 3rd largest slave population after (Virginia and Georgia). During the Civil War Louisville was constently under question by the North for aiding the Confederacy, and was by no means trusted by the North. To this day a Confederate monument stands in the City's first suburb Old Louisville. Also unlike Midwestern cities Louisville does not have a sigifigant population of Eastern and Southern Europeans (from places like Poland and Hungary) that came during a European Migration period (WWII). Even small Midwestern cities like South Bend and Toledo received a substantial number of immigrants from those areas of the world.

Archtiecturally Louisville's first suburb Old Louisville with it's wrought iron, huge fountains, huge Magnolias looming over the streets and Victorian style architecture that are found only in the most prominent Southern cities of the 19th century like Charleston, New Orleans, Savanah, and even Richmond, NOWHERE in the Midwest. Also Louisville like New Orleans urban areas (at least in the West or older parts of town) are lined with Shotgun houses destintively Southern, found mostly in cities like New Orleans.

Culturally Louisville is much much more of a Southern city than Midwestern, Like i've said earlier if you compare louisville's Culture, History, and Architecture to that of New Orleans and Birmingham (2 Deep Southern cities) and then compare it to that of Minnianapolis and Milwaulkee (2 upper Midwestern cities) Louisville undoubtibly has 3x more in common with the Southern cities.

KNOW LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY IS WILL AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE SOUTH!!!!

I also think that Kentucky should be completely red as Virginia is, when Virginia is sometimes considered the North. Missourri is more of a fifty fifty mix of Southern and Midwestern culture, where as Kentucky does have a "hint" of Midwestern culture (which would only be naturl considering it's boardered, by 3 Midwestern states). So I think that it would be more accurate if Kentucky was completely RED or shaded the same color as the rest of the South. On the Midwestern page it should be striped (or mixed), as Virginia is striped on the Northern map, But completely RED with the rest of the South.

The simple answer is...

Mostly Southern (call it 80/20), but with some Midwestern traits. For example, Kentucky's hilly topography with many streams and rivers are typical of the South, but the "United We Stand Divided We Fall" motto is totally opposite of most "State's rights" mottos in the South. Economically we area somewhere in between, having a better economy and population growth than most Midwestern states, but still behind true sunbelt states like Georgia, Tennessee or the Carolinas. Food and accent wise we are definatly southern.

As For Louisville,I think that the "old stock" native Louisvillians are midwestern in accent and attitude, but Jefferson's County nearly doubled it's population from 1940-1960 with people mostly from south central and western Kentucky which really altered the culture. Econmoically, Louisville today has less of a heavy industry based economy city than it use to be, but instead has employment concentrated in a few "high tech" automobile factories and in the service industry, making it less Cincinnati and more like Nashville. Brando03, April 20.

I don't think that I really got my point across for the state of Kentucky as I did for Louisville I have to say, I have rarely, if ever, been more offended in all my life. Kentucky is the South, has always been the South, and, so help me God, will always be the South. As Southern as Georgia, as someone said! I’m offended as a Kentuckian, as an historian, and as someone who has spent his entire life studying the history and culture of the South. Red-faced angry offended! There shouldn’t even be an argument, though, God help me, I know that there is. When someone can prove to me that the Ohio River has been moved south of Kentucky, as well as the Mason-Dixon line, I might entertain the argument. Until then, I am inclined to believe that anyone who would call Kentucky “Midwestern,” which is offensive to every fiber of my being (did I mention that?), is misinformed and doesn’t know much of what they speak. Truly, you don’t know the South if you don’t find it in Kentucky, and I don’t really care where you claim to be from or know. You can’t pigeon-hole the South! It’s much more than anything you might be inclined to believe. People want to judge every state in the South by the Deep South, I’ve come to believe. Well, the South exists in two (maybe, three) parts: The Deep South and the Upper South (some might add Mid-South, as I note a few of you have). The accents aren’t all identical, but the culture is--or is very well close.

Now, about Louisville. I do see why you’d think it has a Midwestern under-culture, but it is a major city. The same argument, I assure you, can be made of New Orleans, Atlanta, Charleston. Major cities have major immigration, and people from all over the country--and the world--make their homes there. Sad as it is, it has shown its effects on the cities, but I assure you, at Louisville’s core, is the South. It has even been said that during the darkest days of the war, Louisville had more “Johnny Rebs” and “Southern Belles” than the entire state of Mississippi. As an historian, I might be inclined to believe that. Having mentioned Southern Belles, you’d be well advised to note Sallie Ward was a Louisvillian. Her portrait is often named “The Southern Belle.” That is because she was THE Southern Belle in the ante-bellum days. More Scarlett O’Hara than Scarlett herself! Literally, she was considered THE belle of the South! None of that is even mentioning that, as someone else noted, Louisville is a river city, giving it all the more reason to intermingle cultures. Nonetheless, to the trained ear, one can hear the traces of Southern accents in downtown Louisville, and thick as molasses accents among some of the older residence. Step outside the city limits--you can no longer judge the South by its cities. Anyone who lives in a Southern city will note the changes over the years. They’ve become melting pots, good or bad! Oh, and what is Louisville’s nickname? You don’t know? Let me tell you, “Gateway to the South!” That’s a take on its old days as a river port, and its being a Southern city, noted for two great Southern pastimes, horseracing and bourbon!

The Ohio river is a true divider of North and South. Just imagine how it held in cultures before the days of advanced transportation!

I have no desire to get into specifics of “Civil War” loyalties, other than to say a few things, beginning with no state, country, or person, in my opinion, has been more egregiously misrepresented in history than has Kentucky. Kentucky was no more divided than was most of the South, and certainly no more divided than Tennessee and Virginia. History is recorded inaccurate folks. That’s one of the first things one learns as a historian. Part of “to the victor go the spoils” is writing the history, and there’s a very strong argument that Kentucky was a Confederate state, not only because it was considered the Confederacy by the Confederacy following a secession, but also because that secession was reported in Northern newspapers.

If Kentucky had all the soldiers they claim, every man, woman, and child--maybe even horses and cattle--would have had to enlist in one cause of another. Historically, the South’s influences were so strong in Southern Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio than Lincoln feared he was going to have to fight them too. It was also a Kentuckian who defended Atlanta from Sherman!

I would also say that Kentucky’s accent and culture are identical--as is the climate--to Tennessee. That’s been stated time and again by people who are far more qualified than I. The accent is considered predominantly “Mountain South,” moving westward into “Plantation South,” and often a “Delta South” accent along the Mississippi. That goes for both states, though Rand McNally, I believe, published a book of maps aimed at Middle School aged kids, where the states were broken into regions (Kentucky and Tennessee were South), and they called Tennessee the Southern state most similar to the North. By the way, if I were from Tennessee, that would offend me too.

Lastly, I want to thank those of you who have defended Kentucky. I do appreciate your efforts, and, without question, I feel I can speak for the whole of the commonwealth. I agree with Indy, in that I am insulted! Geographically, cultureally, historically,. Kentucky IS Southern. This argument would have gotten you shot 100 years ago!

Also Brandon if you're going to simplify things then you shouldn't shove all the information handed before you away and give a totally different analysis. Louisville's history is given a factual indebt description on the post before yours that would clearly conclude that Louisville was Southern before the whole industrial 1950's and what not. From having one of the largest slave owning populations to being known and priding itself as the gateway to the South/and the manufacturing capital of the South for centuries. It's safe to say Louisville is indeed a Southern city with a hint of Midwestern influence and there's no doubt that Kentucky is a Southern state. (Above commentary written by ) Pollinator 05:23, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah, it's nice to see a truly objective analysis... but, as one who's lived in a variety of places I can say contemporary Lexington is only slightly more "Appalachian" than Columbus, Ohio, but is a far cry from Charleston, South Carolina. I can't speak for western Kentucky, nor am I referring to the history, but as to the contemporaty Bluegrass area, I must respectfully yet strongly disagree with User:4.154.87.108. Pollinator 05:23, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Music

Um, the article talks about all these bluegrass legends, and in the middle of it talks about the Backstreet Boys. Presumably someone's idea of a joke. MDuchek (talk) 15:03, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

hehe. That, or some really poor editing on someone's part. Fixed. Acdixon ^{(talk · contribs)} 15:12, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Kentucky is officially a Southeastern State.

50.96.245.253 (talk) 12:14, 20 August 2012 (UTC)Geographically Kentucky is a Southeastern State. The article states that Kentucky is "Upper South" and "Midwest". The National Census geared by the US Goverment cleary states Kentucky is a Southern State and this is used for regional mapping and demographics. The Kentucky Governor is in the Southern Governor's Association, Both College and lowers education levels are credited to the Southern Education Association. The Official line of the Northern and Southern border is the Mason-Dixon line, with the Ohio River being the symbolic border. Kentucky is listed on the Southern Region of the USA on this site-Wikipedia. Before and during the Civil War Kentucky was an antebellum Southern State, but in military terms was considered a Border Sate which provided soldiers to both sides. Never actually saw an official region named "Upper South", but have heard the slang before. A region has to begin and start someplace and the Ohio River definds the sectional divide. Kentucky has no connection to the Northern States dubbed as Midwest. I think this article with the Midwest reference is based on the Southern part of Indiana being including in Louisville Metro and Northern Ky. being in Cincinnati Metro. Be that as it may, this does not defind Kentucky's geography. The Official term is Southeast. joller@infionline.net50.96.245.253 (talk) 12:14, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Kentucky as a "Sinkhole State" according to non-partisan "Truth In Accounting" org

Not sure of it's natural place on this wiki page but I've been placing them in the other 5 "sinkhole" states Economy section. Kentucky is one of the most indebted states and I felt that including this info was valuable and timely. Feel free to revise/amend as you see fit. StickerMug (talk) 20:01, 3 December 2012 (UTC). My contribution to the page has been deleted doubting it's relevance. Any thoughts on proper citation. I'd rather not revise this post only to have it deleted again. Thoughts Anyone? StickerMug (talk) 21:01, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I think the removal was correct. Every advocacy group, think tank, and quasi news organization out there compiles lists like this from time to time. What makes this one more special than any of them? Besides, in such a high-level article as this, I think this fact looks fairly trivial. Maybe if there was an article on Economy of Kentucky or Government of Kentucky or maybe Politics of Kentucky (all presently redirects), it might be appropriate (or not), but for the main article (which has in the past been tagged as too long to begin with) I don't think it is important enough to include. Acdixon ^{(talk · contribs)} 21:19, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate the feed back. Thanks Acdixon. To avoid the "compiling of lists" phenomenon which can come off as self-promotional, I just provided the neutral stat on "taxpayer burden" which is representative of the economic situation but not promotional. Let me know if I should revert. StickerMug (talk) 18:34, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm looking at Minnesota as an example because it is a featured article. It actually has a whole section on the state's taxes, which is probably more helpful than this in the long run. However, this article is not even close to being FA, so I won't let the perfect become the enemy of the good. (Not that this is my article, but I'm the only one who has commented so far.) I do think that the statement should say – in the prose itself – who estimated the tax burden. Also, it's not clear to me what the ranking 46th means. Is that the 46th highest burden (which would be good from a taxpayer standpoint) or is it the 46th lowest burden (which would, of course, be bad for taxpayers, since only 4 states would have higher tax burdens)? That may need to be clarified. Acdixon ^{(talk · contribs)} 15:33, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I just read the referenced source and attempted to clarify the article accordingly. However, it is not clear to me that the referenced source should be considered reliable and objective. Saying that they are non-partisan and calling themselves "the Institute for Truth in Accounting" really means absolutely nothing. In fact, I would tend to be much more suspicious of the validity of statements that come from an organization that puts "Truth" in its name than from an organization that doesn't. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:35, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Worth a trip to the reliable sources noticeboard? Acdixon ^{(talk · contribs)} 18:05, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Dry Counties

I'm very new to wikipedia so I wouldn't want to try editing, especially on a major subject such as Kentucky. I was just wondering if there's ever been a discussion if the high number of dry counties in Kentucky should get a mention? For an outsider such as myself it is one of the more striking aspects. 02.30, 12 October 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.217.169.109 (talk) 01:33, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Possible copyright problem

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Geography

How 'bout a seperate page for the Geography section?

It seems to be the largest section on the page, with enough information to form a seperate page ("Geography of Kentucky" or the like).

It would also help the article meet Wikipedia Article Size requirements.

Thanks.

Jakob Russian (talk) 23:18, 26 October 2011 (UTC)Jakob Russian

Kentucky is the only U.S. state to be bordered on three sides by rivers—the Mississippi River to the west, the Ohio River to the north, and the Big Sandy River and Tug Fork to the east.

This claim is dubious. Georgia is bounded east by the Savannah River, (partially) west by the Chattahoochee River, and (partially) south by the St. Marys River. Texas is bounded south by the Rio Grande River, (partially) north by the Red River, and (partially) east by the Sabine River.

And if they claim "entirely bordered on three sides", its wrong: The southern part of the eastern boundary is the Appalachians, not a river.

Phildm (talk) 22:40, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

I clarified the claim and gave a books.google.com link to the reference. The key is that it's a "continuous border of rivers" running along three of its sides, not that they necessarily are the entirety of all three sides. The text in the source is awkward, but looking at any U.S. map demonstrates it. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 01:17, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying, Stevie is the man! I thought it was a cool claim until I thought about my home state (Georgia). Your wording makes it valid. Phildm (talk) 04:09, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

I take it back. Illinois has the Wabash River in the east, Ohio River in the south, and Mississippi River in the west. All three are continuous border of rivers. Maybe the uniqueness is that Kentucky's three border rivers flow into each other. Tug Fork -> Big Sandy -> Ohio -> MississippiPhildm (talk) 06:37, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Kentucky/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

==Initial rating==

This article is obviously the top priority of WikiProject Kentucky. Its last peer review rated it a B-class article. Significant improvements have been made, but several things still need to happen to bring it to A-class, including notably:

Finding references for all statements tagged with {{fact}}
Standardizing all references using {{cite web}}
Expanding the history section with information from Governor Goebel's assassination to the present

Acdixon 16:28, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

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Assassination of Governor Goebel not in the 20th century

The assassination took place on January 30, 1900. Technically the start of a new decade or century is January 1 of the year ending in 1 (There is no year zero in the Gregorian calendar). At the least it should precede the Black Patch tobacco wars which ran from 1904 thru 1908. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markglass2000 (talk • contribs) 12:44, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Done Thanks for the catch. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 22:01, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

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Changing Governor's name

In the last few days, some anons and users have been playing with changing the governor's name in this article. We are in a period of transition, and perhaps any of both names could be included, but the constant switching creates disruption. I suggest editors interested in this article reach a consensus about what to do rather than wasting time in moving names back and forth. It raises unnecessary flags of vandalism. Thanks. Historiador (talk) 11:08, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

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`Murican Ancestry

"...ancestry that is predominantly American." Just because some Americans are too stupid to understand that nationality isn't the same as ethnicity, and who have no idea what their ancestry is, that doesn't make it actually correct that their ancestry is "predominantly American." It has no meaning. If you were born in the USA, then your "ancestry is American." It has zero value for differentiating between different American ancestries.76.105.216.34 (talk) 19:33, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Looks like you may have to take that up with the US Census Bureau. TimothyJosephWood 19:36, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

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The Marching Band State in Kentucky selected in the 2019 Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade

The Marching Band state in Kentucky selected in the 2019 Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade!

The Second Time Arounders Marching Band, St. Petersburg, Florida; Pulaski High School Red Raider Marching Band, Wisconsin and One More Time Around Again Marching Band, Portland, Oregon are applying for the 2019 Macy's Parade!

Wesley Whatley announcement of 10 marching bands selected in the 2019 Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1017:B428:2846:8CB5:5756:2901:6BE6 (talk) 16:49, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

That's nice, but it's hardly definitive of the state itself. Surely you aren't proposing adding this to the article on the state of Kentucky? Acdixon ^{(talk · contribs)} 18:29, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

This is block evasion by a long-term disruptive editor. Meters (talk) 20:26, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

First sentence of music section

The first sentence of the music section in this article reads, "The breadth of music in Kentucky is indeed wide, stretching from the Purchase to the eastern mountains." I don't understand what this means (otherwise I would try to fix it). Can someone help? 206.248.156.150 (talk) 19:00, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

I agree that the sentence was strange. I just deleted it. —BarrelProof (talk) 21:07, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Edit request

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Information to be added or removed: I propose adding the below text in quotes to the education section of the page:

"Kentucky ranked 35th in the nation for educational performance, according to Education Week’s Quality Counts 2018 report. It earned an overall score of 72.5 out of 100 points and a grade of C-minus. By comparison, the nation received a score of 75.2 or a C.

Kentucky posted a C in the Chance-for-Success category, ranking 37th on factors that contribute to a person’s success both within and outside the K-12 education system. Kentucky received a mark of C-minus and finished 33rd for School Finance. It ranked 31st with a grade of C-minus on the K-12 Achievement Index."

Explanation of issue: I believe this text would enhance the page, adding information on the quality of the state's K-12 education which is not currently available on the page. I'm asking your consideration because I work for Education Week. I apologize if I've misformatted this or left out information you need to make a decision - I'm rather new at this.

References supporting change: this is the source I'd cite: ^[1] Csmithepe (talk) 17:57, 11 February 2019 (UTC)Csmithepe

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^ "Kentucky Earns a C-Minus on State Report Card, Ranks 35th in Nation - Quality Counts". Education Week. 37 (17). Editorial Projects in Education. 17 January 2018. Retrieved 11 February 2019.

You'll need consensus for your change. Also, and admittedly I'm not that familiar with the suite of articles for Kentucky, most states have a daughter article specifically for education. If that's the case, this should likely be there. Daughter article or not, I see no reason to discuss one ranking for one year here. A discussion of historic trends may be appropriate in the right right place. John from Idegon (talk) 19:17, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Agree with John from Idegon (talk · contribs), and note that Kentucky does indeed have an Education in Kentucky daughter article where, if consensus dictates, this information should be added. Acdixon ^{(talk · contribs)} 19:31, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

- Now that that has been clarified, Not done. John from Idegon (talk) 19:47, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

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Does the Governor-elect and running mate automatically take office when elected in Kentucky

Otherwise, the Governor is still Bevin.2600:1700:EDC0:3E80:DCC5:58F5:F982:54B9 (talk) 03:44, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Wrong Dimensions?

"Dimensions

• Length 379 mi (610 km)
• Width 170 mi (250 km)"

I honestly feel this is backwards. I live here. There's no way this state is only 170 miles across. Mari Adkins 06:19, 16 December 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MariAdkins (talk • contribs)

From the article on length: "Length is commonly understood to mean the most extended dimension of an object." So the longer dimension would be its 'length' (which can conflict with the left-right sense of 'wide' or 'width', for the other dimension). SwineFlew? (talk) 20:12, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Kentucky colonel

As a Kentuckian and a Kentucky colonel, I made several minor edits to the page and would appreciate some consensus on them, as the Talk page suggests to "be bold". First of all since bourbon is something that only comes from Kentucky, I changed the last paragraph of the description to reflect this by removing the word distilleries, Kentucky is more famous for "bourbon" than its bourbon distilleries.

I was tempted to edit "horse racing" to "thoroughbred horses" and "Kentucky Derby" because while Kentucky thoroughbreds and the Kentucky Derby are both well-known, Kentucky is not especially well-known for horse racing except for the Derby. Perhaps someone may make that edit?

Also since it is cited in the article, in governmental documents, in the KRS, Wikipedia itself, and numerous articles that Kentucky colonels are officially Kentucky's goodwill ambassadors I added that Kentucky is also famous for "the Kentucky colonel" considering there are well over 100,000 people alive that have received the honorary commission. I also added under the corresponding sub-heading, the fact that Kentucky colonels are goodwill ambassadors which is not only well-known, but it is the only legal function of a Kentucky colonel today in contemporary society based on letters patent issued by the governor. Problemsmith (talk) 17:15, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Southern vs. Midwestern template

Good morning, and I would like to inform that I switched templates, knowing that Kentucky is a Southern, not Midwestern state. I also switched categories as well. But anyway I do hope that this doesn’t cause any trouble and that we not have any edit war over this. I am open to objections in case anyone objects. Heegoop 09:23, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Update

Please update registration statistics https://elect.ky.gov/Resources/Pages/Registration-Statistics.aspx Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.243.237 (talk) 23:32, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

European settlement

This section is for all practical purposes, bare. The common litany is that Harrodsburg was the first permanent European settlement in Kentucky, established 1774. Do you know your history? It's only possibly the first settlement; in any case, it is safe to say that no whiteman was in Kentucky at the close of 1774. Yes, they were there, and due to drownings, disease, and attacks by Native Americans, they fled in abject retreat until the spring of 1775. There is considerable scholarly redoubt about when the first permanent structures and residency by Europeans in Kentucky began. It can be no earlier than March 1775, and was certainly established by mid-1776. Then we need to examine the claim that it is the first permanent European settlement west of the Appalachians (What about Ouiatenon, est. 1717?). There were considerable squatters settlements north of the Ohio near Fort Henry, VA (now WVA) built in 1774, culminating in the establishment of Martin's Ferry ~1779. There were whitemen in Ohio from 1774 on, and whitemen in Kentucky from May, 1774. Boonesboro, Maysville, and other settlements in Kentucky existed from 1775 on. So, we need to be cautious about grandiose statements of "first" here. Sbalfour (talk) 23:57, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Who discovered Kentucky?

Who (European) discovered Kentucky? What Year? Where was he (what did he/they see that indisputably placed them in Kentucky?) Not LaSalle (save me). Not many Historians seem to know the answer, though there does seem to be an answer, or two possibilities. Sbalfour (talk) 02:54, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

[Edweek-1] "Kentucky Earns a C-Minus on State Report Card, Ranks 35th in Nation - Quality Counts". Education Week. 37 (17). Editorial Projects in Education. 17 January 2018. Retrieved 11 February 2019.

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