Talk:Kerchief

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 * (EDIT) My mistake - this image in question is gone, and my image is current. Pacian 19:14, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Cowboys don't wear kerchiefs
The word Bandanna should be categorized under the Category:Western wear. Linking Kerchiefs to Western Wear is weird. Anyone object to an un-redirect, with referencing links between the two articles? The Editrix 18:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I disagree with you on splitting out a Bandanna article, though you do raise a good point about the whole terminology thing. I would have no problem requesting a move to place the article on Bandanna and make Kerchief the redirect, but I also believe that some of the issue is how the article is written, particularly in the first little bit.  Perhaps a rewrite of some of the early material would rectify this?  SchuminWeb (Talk) 08:08, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm happy with Bandanna being the main article. Anyone else wanna weigh in? The Editrix 19:24, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

If the distinction in the intro is real, this should not be moved. I suspect, furthermore, that this is another Anglo-American usage difference, and in that case, moving it is against policy. Septentrionalis 23:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


 * See above. I'm proposing UNcombining the two articles because 1. Bandanna needs to be listed under Category:Western wear and 2. the word Kerchief implies a lacy bit of fluff that is not implied by the word Bandanna. Schuminweb suggests reversing the redirect to address problem number 1. I proposed separate articles to fix problem number 2, but acknowledge that S's solution fixes both problems. Do you have a solution, Septentrionalis, that better addresses these concerns? The Editrix 17:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The OED confirms that this is an Anglo-Anerican dispute; pursuing which is contrary to policy; and that Kerchief is the general term. (Definition of "Bandanna": A richly coloured silk handkerchief, with spots left white or yellow by the process described above. The name is now applied to cotton handkerchiefs also, and the pattern is produced by chemical agency.)

The way to fix

is to move the cat, which I shall now do. Septentrionalis 17:27, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Problem solved. Thank you. The Editrix 17:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Works for me, too. I didn't think you could place a category on a redirect.  I learned something today... SchuminWeb (Talk) 09:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. Kimchi.sg 16:32, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Bandanas.jpg being changed to red_and_blue_bandannas.jpg
I uploaded this yesterday, and now the file name has been changed, although a "red_and_blue_bandannas.jpg" no longer exists, and is a broken image. I tried uploading the same file from before to the new file name, but I received the message "this image already exists in the wikipedia commons" so now the original, helpful image, is gone. I need someone to either A.) Reupload or B.) Revert. Mirth


 * I was the one who moved it. It's better to put free license images on Wikimedia Commons rather than directly on the English Wikipedia because this makes it available to all Wikimedia projects - not just this one.  Also, I don't know why it's not showing up correctly.  All was properly uploaded, and I even verified the location, and it's all correct.  Perhaps we discovered a bug in the MediaWiki software, but that's beyond my expertise.  So that's the rationale behind it.  I did it, as Commons is where it should be.  Why it didn't show up right, though, is beyond me.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well it's showing up now, for whatever reason. Thanks to whoever or whatever made it display properly! Mirth


 * Like I said, I think it was likely a glitch somewhere, since I did everything I've always done for moving images to Commons, and this time it did something weird. Of course, Wikipedia looks a little different tonight, so they must have made some changes to the system... SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:22, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

omfg
I can't believe The Loners are in here and the black bloc isn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.174.181.122 (talk • contribs)


 * Then fix it... SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

What are the ones with the eyeholes called?
Like what the Ninja Turtles have? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 04:07, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Bandana & Wintersports.
I'm an experienced skier and every time I got to the slope I see allot of people wear bandanna's in front of their mouth against snow, wind, cold and because it looks really cool. I myself use a bandanna as well. Maybe add that to the "Bandanna's are worn as a practical garment by:" part in this Article?

Slyver 313 (talk) 07:42, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Provide reliable sources verifying it. SchuminWeb (Talk) 19:02, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Just go skiien/snowboarding and you'll see. I can point you to tons of vids of people wearing them whilst skiing/snowboarding and many ski/snowboarding company's sell bandana's right now. (just go to vimeo.com and type ski)* and why else would Avalonseven call their bandanas: "snowboard skateboard skii bandanas" There isn't an article on them (at least I haven't founded it yet) but this is just one of those common things that's just there it doesn't need an article. Many people wear a bandana whilst skiing for the looks and/or for the protection, it helps your face from getting sunburned or the "goggle tan" and protects you from wind and snow. Some people don't like a bandana because it get's wet and freezes.

and for someone who spends 320 days a year on the mountains, I'd like to call myself a reliable source in these sort of things. Slyver 313 (talk) 07:47, 25 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Re: "but this is just one of those common things that's just there it doesn't need an article" and "I'd like to call myself a reliable source in these sort of things", the answers are NO and NO. People are not reliable sources, and nothing is a given.  Additionally, the source you provided is not a reliable source.  If you are unable to locate reliable sources for such information, it probably is insufficiently notable to include in the article.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 12:24, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Article confusion
As stated previously, there seems to be both differences and similarities between kerchief, bandana, and several other articles. In my opinion, the bandana should have a separate article as it is an incredibly important aspect of western American dress and has unique characteristics such as special tying knots and decorative slides. They are also known more recently as cowboy "wild rags." The kerchief, bandana, scarf, neckerchief, handkerchief, do-rag and headscarf articles have many similarities and cross connections (or lack of them when they should exist). The article on the scarf shows Scout neckerchiefs in an image, but there is no link to the neckerchief article. The Scout neckerchief derived from the western American bandana as it was worn by American scout Frederick Russell Burnham (see his photos while in Africa). So there is that connection, too.

The photo of the girl here in the Kerchief article is also shown on the headscarf article as an example. If "kerchief" means "to cover the head", then it is basically a headscarf. Bandanas are work as head kerchiefs by some people such as motorcyclists, in which case they are often called "head wraps", and function in a way similar to a do-rag. Also, where I live in Southern California, silk bandanas are often worn under a vaquero's hat in a similar way. Some of these things are mentioned in the do-rag article, but not in the kerchief article.

It seems that one of the articles could be used as a general article (likely Scarf), with short descriptions and links to the main, more specific articles. - Parsa (talk) 18:37, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Bandana photo
Are we sure the photo of the person wearing the bandana is a girl? It certainly looks rather dude-like to me.

MarkinBoston (talk) 23:33, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Trust me - it's definitely a woman. SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:21, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Assuming you're talking about File:Bandana.jpg, the "dude-like" qualities I think come from the fact that she looks about 13-14 (which is a bit disturbing when you read how people are reacting to this photo). ▫  Johnny Mr Nin ja  10:33, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

tussy-mussy
I just happened to look into the article on nosegay, and there the expression "tussy-mussy" is written "tussie-mussie". Does anybody know which one is correct? At least, wikipedia should use only one. --Kuer.gee (talk) 07:39, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

"bandana" vs "bandanna"
Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary lists "bandanna," with an alternate spelling of "bandana," while the Oxford English Dictionary lists "bandana" with an alternate spelling of "bandanna." Given that the Wikimedia Commons link and all the sources and external links use "bandanna" while the rest of the article uses "bandana," I think a decision should be made as to which spelling to use, and then list the other spelling as an alternate at the beginning. Redirecting from "bandanna" gives the impression that Wikipedia’s position is that "bandanna" is an incorrect spelling rather than an alternate. Trekky0623 (talk) 23:10, 18 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Bandana seems to be the common name based on Google searches. However, both bandana and bandanna currently redirect here and it would be easy enough to list both spelling variations in the lead if necessary. Helen  Online  16:58, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Incomplete
Seems to me that this article is missing a lot of historical information, and that it's focused almost entirely on American usage, with a slight indirect nod towards the possibility of European usage. I'm pretty sure there are equivalents in other cultures. It also seems to focus too much on bandannas, which are a relatively modern subvariety of kerchief, which originated with practical purposes in mind, while the article mostly deals with the modern practice of wearing one as a fashion accessory. Then of course, if you are going to talk about bandannas, then how about mentioning some of their practical uses, like wearing over the face to protect from the dust, or to act as a concealing mask, or worn around the neck to protect from the sun, etc? AnnaGoFast (talk) 20:38, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

History
Just placing this info here in case someone can use it. Bandanna handkerchiefs were being advertised for sale in 1803 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article625891 jayoval (talk) 21:45, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Gangs, Etc.
Not to be that guy, but maybe would some information on their implicit meanings would be useful. Just a thought. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr. Trip Fix (talk • contribs) 13:23, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Zandana?
If someone can find the origin of the word "zandana" I will marry them Robin J Thomson (talk) 19:05, 16 September 2021 (UTC) RT