Talk:Khalid Al-Faisal

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Picture modification needed
Can someone crop the image of Prince Khalid to remove the website title from the picture? It would be very appreciated. Mni9791 (talk) 05:00, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Mecca vs. Makkah
I am familiar with Wikipedia's policy. Regardless of whichever one is more accepted or widely known, there is a more pressing issue. Mni9791 (talk) 01:29, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

The article states that Khalid is the Governor of Makkah Province. Yet whenever the city is mentioned it is referred to as Mecca. To prevent confusion, I suggest Makkah be used. I have never seen it written as Governor of Mecca Province in any Arab newspaper articles. So I suggest, for the purposes of this article -- Makkah be used uniformly. The hyperlink to Mecca's page will satisfy the Wikipedia policy. Mni9791 (talk) 01:29, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


 * As far as I can tell, English sources use both "Makkah Province" and the city of "Mecca", and it should stay as such. The word Mecca is far more common (Makkah is the Saudi govt's official transliteration which they are trying to push for greater use), and if an exception is to be made for this article, it should be the province's name: Makkah (Mecca) Province. - Yk3 talk ~ contrib 05:07, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


 * You ignored what I said. Makkah and Mecca are the same name. So that's why I thought this article should use Makkah uniformly because Khalid is more associated with Makkah Province than the city Mecca. But whatever, you can have it your way. Mni9791 (talk) 17:03, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Did my comments above indicate that I did not understand that Mecca and Makkah are the same? I don't mean to push my sole way of doing things, just trying to help improve the article in a way that most people will understand. And I assume good faith on your part too. - Yk3 talk ~ contrib 18:47, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I honestly had no intention of re-initiating this boring old argument and reverting your edits until I went to your user page and found a very interesting Wikipedia policy that aptly suits this discussion. You should be familiar with WP:IR. If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it.
 * In this case, the article causes confusion for having the common name - Makkah Province - for the province but having a different spelling for the city's common name (which the province is named after) - Mecca. I have changed the spelling of Mecca to Makkah only on this page because Khalid al-Faisal is more closely associated with the province than the city.
 * Because of my significant contributions to this page and my seniority on this page, I ask you to adhere to your own favorite statement - how should i put this..., and please respect my edits. ; ) Mni9791 (talk) 20:38, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I won't edit war with you, but will continue to discuss. First of all, I disagree with the fact that using Makkah will improve the article, because most English readers know the city as Mecca. That's why I recommended saying "Makkah (Mecca) Province". In the eyes of others, he is more associated with the province that contains the city of Mecca. I also think we should be careful about making rules, since English sources use both "Makkah Province" and the "city of Mecca". We should just follow the names used by the sources, and maybe add a footnote saying that they're really the same.
 * While you have a right to stake your claim (WP:BOLD), you haven't yet convinced everyone else that what you propose is most suitable, hence unilaterally making the change is against WP:CONSENSUS. (You yourself admitted to ignoring the rules in this case.)
 * Secondly, your latter arguments are making me very uncomfortable. Wikipedia does not in any way recognize seniority of editors for any article (WP:OWNERSHIP is carved-into-stone policy). If you think I've been a dick to you, I apologize. (I apologize for reverting the first time without consulting; I was perfectly entitled to do that, but maybe should have been more courteous.) But, if you've read the essay on not being a dick, "Implicitly or explicitly calling people dicks is a dick-move: don't use this essay as a justification to do so," that's why I never cite the essay in my conversations with others. Implicitly calling someone a dick is a violation of WP:CIVIL.
 * I am going to continue assuming good faith on your part and hope you will continue to discuss constructively. I also call on you to revert to the original (with "Mecca") until we can agree why WP:IAR can apply. - Yk3 talk ~ contrib 21:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Palace
There's the following paragraph:

"According to a leaked Wikileaks cable, Prince Khalid went to extraordinary lengths to renovate his late father's palace to host a party for Prince Charles, during the Prince of Wales' visit to the kingdom in 2006.[9][10] The cable revealed that at the time, Khalid had been living in the old palace which was in dire need of renovation. He directed a Western business associate to renovate the palace in three weeks and rewarded the businessman with $13,000 when Prince Charles was impressed with the palace. Khalid has since built a new palace while the old palace has been converted into a university.[11]"

Everything in this paragraph seems odd to me.

1) His father was killed long ago. So, for a long time it had been his palace, not his father's. I don't see the importance of the fact that this palace belonged to his father long time ago for this context.

2) "Extraordinary lengths" gives an impression that the renovation was ultra-luxurios. However, the subsequent sentence seems to indicate that "extraordinary lengths" means that the cost was high for this man because the palace was "in dire need of renovation", and doesn't mean that the renovation was ultra-luxurios.

3) $13,000 is "extraordinary lengths"? Come on! YOMAL SIDOROFF-BIARMSKII (talk) 07:34, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Asir
Why doesn't the governorship of Asia province show up in his template

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Requested move 19 March 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Although this RM was opposed on the grounds that the proposed title is not the subject's official name, a convincing case was laid out for the proposed title being the WP:COMMONNAME. Article titling policy dictates that, in the absence of other considerations, the common name should be used even if it is not the official name; thus, the balance of policy-backed arguments supports the proposed move. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Khalid bin Faisal Al Saud → Khalid Al-Faisal – While his official name is "Khalid bin Faisal Al-Saud", King Faisal's sons are commonly known with the unofficial last name "Al-Faisal". The name "Khalid Al-Faisal" is more commonly used than "Khalid Al-Saud" or "Khalid bin Faisal", see examples  High surv (talk) 11:09, 19 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 17:53, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose, as mentioned above it's not his official name and also, in Saudi Arabian naming conventions the name of father is always part of the name, --Egeymi (talk) 12:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * This is not the same as including the father's name. In the case of Al-Faisals it is used as a last name, which is not the convention for father's names (e.g. Mohammed Bin Salman is used, not "Mohammed Al-Salman").
 * It is used semi-officially, as I included government and news sources. But that is besides the point, see WP:COMMON NAME, WP:OFFICIAL. High surv (talk) 20:06, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per COMMONNAME.--Ortizesp (talk) 13:00, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @UserOrtizesp could you give the wp rule in an accessible way, so I could make a comment, --Egeymi (talk) 13:08, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

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