Talk:Kief

This is Skuff ! Kiff is different!
The Stuff here described is called "Skuff" ,in Moroco they grind down all Flowers which is left from the Hash-Screen-Production,this is grinded down to fine green Powder,and is used mostly by elder People cause it contains very few THC (around 8%) cause the most Resin from the Flowers was extracted in Hash Production.Kief is just the remainings of Has-Production grinded to Powder.The Skuff described in this Tread has much more THC and is much higher Quality then Kief. Kieff and Skuff has nothing do to with eath other,Stuff is finest Quality and Kieff is most bad Quality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.139.100.22 (talk) 18:54, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

IMHO whomever wrote this story has little experience or knowledge of the subject
FWIW, I live in British Columbia, North America's cannabis capital. I smoke kief on a regular basis, obtaining pure product from my local cannabis club. The author of this article clearly has no experience with the product. It is not "stronger than" thc it IS mostly THC. It is smoked exactly the same way bud is smoked, has exactly the same effects (although due to its purity you don't need to use as much) and does NOT cause hallucinations (unless you also happen to hallucinate from bud itself). It is NOT hash, although mixed with honey oil it is often sold as such, and is pretty much the same high. Anyone who uses an electric bud buster has seen kief - it's that sandy substance that sticks in the bottom cracks of the buster. That crystal that falls off your bud when you shake it? THAT'S kief. 24.67.72.62 (talk) 16:47, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes that sentence was absurd
Not only was that sentence (referenced below) nearly impossible to understand syntactically it was also ridiculously inaccurate, so I removed it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.67.72.62 (talk) 16:38, 17 March 2011 (UTC) 24.67.72.62 (talk) 16:45, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

=Temperature= "The temperature at which kief burns is lower than marijuana, meaning that if kief is consumed as marijuana bud THC will be wasted, or burned rather than ingested."

This is nonsense. THC and other cannabinoids still burn at the same temperature, whether it be in kief or in bud, in leaf or whatever. The actual kief material may burn quicker, but the THC inside isn't going to burn at a lower temperature just because it is "in the kief". Someone needs to correct this. Sorry I don't know how to sign off or any of that shit, I just read this article and felt it needed to be fixed.

Farsi/Persian
I am going to remove the two sentences about the "Persian" word. First off, the language is Farsi, and second, the statement is not cited, has no validity, and harms the article by providing false information. Gone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garbage Monger (talk • contribs) 13:37, 22 February 2009

Hallucinations
How valid is the statement about cartoon-like hallucinations? I question the validity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.200.192.157 (talk) 21:20, 3 October 2005

Arabic Roots
The arabic word "كيف" kief/kayf means "How?" not "well being". I imagine there might have been a misinterpretation because of the phrase "keif halek?" which means "how are you", or more literally might mean "how is your well-being" (the -ek ending being the posessive suffix for "you"). I don't know about the etymology of the word, but Keif definitely doesn't mean "well-being or pleasure" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.108.94.151 (talk) 21:04, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

No you dummy, let me correct you. Kief does mean "how?" in Arabic, there is no argument about that. Kief also means (literally) "the high", the "pleasurable feeling" - which is usually used in context to refer to getting high from hashish in traditional Egyptian & other arabic languages. Kief, the sandy looking powder that falls off cannabis buds, could be smoked when collected, and is reffered to as Kief because this sandy substance produces the pleasurable feeling of a high (kief). Get it now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.96.37.7 (talk) 23:02, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Kiefer
My surname is Kiefer-I always thought it was the coolest name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.244.174.197 (talk) 22:54, 15 January 2006
 * That is a very cool name HighInBC 20:18, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I wonder if you mind at all that as a name for smokable cannabis product generally, the similar Riefer has been proposed as a replacement for the not-so-American-looking reefer (which was damaged by its association with "madness" in a cynical movie title of the 30's). Rhymes with "briefer" (someone who reads the morning papers and reports to the President).  Your morning toke stirs your associative memory and valid important relevant data are reported to you by the magic of organic processes.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tokerdesigner (talk • contribs) 20:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Kief is a type of hashish
there is a section on kief on the Hashish article, perhaps this page should be incoorperated into the Hashish page and this page redirect to it. Anyone object to this? HighInBC 23:54, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I know that hash can be made from kief but I'm not sure that kief doesn't deserve its own article. In fact, kief was on the list of encyclopedic topics that wikipedia needs, so I'd say there is good evidence that no merge should be done. Triddle 15:32, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmmm as far as I know the only thing that can differentiate kief from hashish is that sometimes kief is not pressed into a lump... however I still think it is hashish even if left in powder form. How do you define the difference between hashish and kief? HighInBC 16:04, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't really have one, but a lot of articles do link directly to kief which I think indicates it is being thought of separately from hash. I would also think (and it may not be proper) that hash has a wider definition than just pressed kief (soapbar for example). Lastly, people are known to sprinkle kief on their bowls where I'm from and hash is not nearly as common. I really think kief stands to have its own article. Triddle 18:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, I am not going to change anything, but I will post a request for comments about this in the Hashish talk page. Please feal free to participate in the discussion there. HighInBC 18:56, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * From my experience, the term kief is reserved exclusively for unpressed trichromes ("crystals", "powder"), whereas hash involves some sort of preparation (i.e. pressing or rolling). I still think the two articles should be merged under Hash, though, with kief given its own subsection, ideally somewhere near the top of the page.
 * Why? There are articles for water, steam, and ice. With logic like this, steam and ice should be merged into water. Triddle 16:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No Merge - Kief is totally different from hashish. Hashish is the extracted THC mixed with some pressed plant matter.  It is dark brown and of a gummy, almost tacky consistency.  Kief is the THC crystals which has fallen off of the marijuana plant, is usually lightly colored and comes in powder form.  They are completely different. Zelmerszoetrop 14:08, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

erk


 * Kief is not a type of hash. Kief is the crystals shaken off the buds while hash is an extract. They're two seperate things. If anything, the part on kief in the hash section should be merged with this article.Calibas 00:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

i agree that no merge should be made. kief is not hashish, and vice versa. Strawberryfire 13:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Kief is definitely not hash! Although it can be used as a raw material for making it, smoking keif is just not smoking hash. A mention of kief in hash making is adequite enough. Matt 07:04, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Hash is activated cannabinoids, and could produce a high if eaten. Kief is inactive, and would not unless heat or pressure is applied before hand to activate the cannabinoids. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.239.211.37 (talk) 22:15, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Discussion of merging
There is a discussion at the Hashish article about merging various hash based articles into Hashish. The discussion has mention this article so I am linking it. Here is the link: Talk:Hashish HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 22:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Unreferenced
I am going to go through this in a day or so and remove much of the unreferenced material. As it is this article does not meet WP:V. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 17:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. --  Szvest   -  Wiki me up ®  17:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

PICTURE
I just added this and it showed up but then was gone seconds later...wtf?

Anyway what I posted was, does the photo really need a red circle drawn around the kief? The kief is the focal point of the picture. Is there a danger we might confuse the kief with the guy's finger or something? Maybe it's just me but that looks dumb and I laughed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.244.58.120 (talk • contribs).


 * We could definitely use a better picture. I don't see any image activity in the article history or your user contrib history so maybe you are doing something wrong or an error occoured with wikipedia, try again. -- Diletante 18:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Uh, just gather some up again, and get closer. Focus in on the crystals. =) Secondly, someone define the bottle toke method on the page, or make its own page, or link it to 'methods of utilizing pot' or something. I don't know what it is, although I can take a guess that it's something I once did in many a forests around my neighbourhood as a kid. If I don't know, I'm sure there must be many others who probably don't. 74.12.10.186 23:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Picture 2 Hashish
I have also posted a picture on this site and it was deleted almost a day later.. I dont know who thinks they run this site but it is a public site.. i believe my picture was much better than "kief on parchment paper" that picture doesnt even look like kief.. as for merging this page into hashish, kief is not hashish it is much purer and gets you way higher.. so ya im gunna post my picture again and it better not be removed or i will have to talk to the moderators or somethin.. anybody who knows what kief is knows its far different than hash and should always have its own page.. I also dont agree with people erasing my contributions on this page as I am a very big pothead and this site is very useful when describing what kief/ tees are and how to get it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brewcetee (talk • contribs) 09:20, 22 March 2007
 * I removed your picture because it was very blurry and low resolution. It was even worse than the one we have currently. Yes this is a public site so you might try proposing changes on the talk page before making them. Also anyone who has made hash (rather than just buy it) will tell you that hash is made from trichomes just as kief is (search around on the internet and see for yourself), I am not going to argue about that. I also take issue with your coffee grinder addition because any such preperation would include much shredded plant material in addidtion to the trichomes. -- Diletante 15:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok I will take a better quality picture.. I know how hash is made but the quality of hash depends on how much plant matter is in the hash.. most good hash is 70-80% pure thc.. kief is much purer closer to 90-95%.. i agree the method is almost identical but the high is way different and i still believe it is completely different and deserves its own page.. the coffee grinder method works the best because it is gradual build up resulting in almost 100% thc.. TRY IT — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brewcetee (talk • contribs) 19:29, 22 March 2007

Stop
I have recently re added my contributions to this page i would appreciate it if you people would stop changing it please.. almost nobody has stated their sources so whatever i want my own tee page but im not allowed so stop changing my stuff —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.16.90 (talk) 08:42, 5 April 2007


 * You are right that nothing is sourced here. BUT if we allow local slang and practices there is no end to how big this article could grow. There are probably thousands of ways that people consume kief and thousands more slang terms. If you want to share your smoking techniques with others I can recommend several cannabis discussion forums. -- Diletante 15:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Older meaning problem
Older sources say that Keif (the most usual spelling used then) was an abstract noun from Arabic generally meaning the state of contentment resulting from having done drugs. See: the former article "Keif" as of 20:00, 27 May 2006.

Currently, Keif is redirected to Kief, and this article does not acknowledge the older meaning except for scattered fragments in the "Regional meanings" section at the end. This should be fixed... AnonMoos (talk) 21:26, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Preparing Kif daily in Morocco
It seems likely that kif means different things for different people - so it's a great pity that the following good information was removed from the article by an anomymous editor. It's from a primary source, but no worse for that.

In the late 1970s, Kif was available freely but surreptitiously in the poorer parts of town, where it was sold through a small hatch. The twigs of the cannabis plant (complete with leaves and seeds) were wrapped into a cone with newspaper. A small quantity of untaxed black tobacco was included, and this was (supposedly) the only part that was illegal.

Smokers in Fez prepared their smoking mixture fresh every day, chopping the twigs/leaves and 10% tobacco mixture on a wooden board. The little spherical seeds are unsmokeable, and were separated out after choppping with a rolling motion on a piece of card. The days supply would be carried in a little leather pouch. The pipe was made from a little cube of stone, with a long, engraved and painted wooden stem.

The use of kif must have been widespread, but it was not often seen in public. In the town of Kenitra, 40 clicks north of Rabat, the most evident place to see it going on was amongst those sitting on the wall outside the local equivalent of the magistrates court. TomRawlinson (talk) 21:37, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Removal of Manufacturing Information

 * That all sounds like a how to guide, which doesn't really belong in an encyclopedia. That's my toke anyway. ;) IvoShandor (talk) 12:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Original research removed from talk page, whose purpose is to work on the article, not to disseminate someone's research. - Altenmann >t 15:02, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kief&diff=prev&oldid=349499316


 * The above cited edit removed from a talk page material which, whether "original research" or not, was intended for consideration by other editors for inclusion in the article pending further improvements as needed. Removals from a talk page may violate WP Presumption of Good Faith and standards of Civility.


 * If the material is objected to as "how-to-guide", please note that NOTHOWTO mentions wikiHow and expressly encourages references to it. WP editors can access wikiHow articles and edit them as required to meet standards for inclusion as references in WP.  Entering the following links in the Kief article, especially the one regarding sifting, keeps Wikipedia pages from reading like a how-to guide, while avoiding prejudicial denial of service to readers seeking "controversial" information.


 * http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Smoke-Pipes-From-Everyday-Objects


 * http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-1/4%22-diam.-Screen-for-a-Single-Toke-Utensil


 * http://www.wikihow.com/Convert-a-Wasteful-Hot-Burning-Wide-Mouth-Chillum-Into-a-Screened-Long-Stemmed-One-Hitter


 * http://www.wikihow.com/Convert-a-Hot-Burning-Big-Bowl-Tobacco-Pipe-Into-a-25-Mg.-Serving-Size-One-Hitter


 * http://www.wikihow.com/Sift-Herbs-for-Smoking-Use

Tokerdesigner (talk) 00:31, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Vaporization
The following information, removed from the article on ground of "irrelevancy", offers needed health advice to users, especially of delicate kief, and includes a link to the vaporizer article cited. "A vaporizer heats herb material only to a subcombustion temperature, about 385°F, protecting against waste of delicate THC and eliminating carbon monoxide and other combustion toxins. A recent study compares this consumption method to smoking.(.")

"An inexpensive variant of the vaporizer, the e-cigarette vaporizes liquid from an insertable cartridge. Kief processed into liquid THC and loaded into an e-cigarette cartridge promises users benefits of vaporization in a convenient portable form." Tokerdesigner (talk) 20:08, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I trust sciencedaily.com as a reliable source and i don't believe the irrelevancy argument is solid. However, the article talks about THC in general and not Kief in particular. That said, I have no big reason to oppose the insertion of the edits. -- FayssalF  -  Wiki me up®  00:44, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Kief-to-e-cigarette technology
Mjpresson (talk) 00:53, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * This talk page is for talking about the article "Kief" and improving it, not public health and improving it. Thanks! Hyacinth (talk) 09:40, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Original research
What, why, how, and where "may" this article contain original research? Hyacinth (talk) 09:50, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Almost none of this article is cited. "To demonstrate that you are not adding original research, you must be able to cite reliable published sources that are both directly related to the topic of the article, and that directly support  the material as presented." --RDavi404 (talk) 14:07, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

WP:OR
I removed the tag after adding 2 references and cleanup. Not a lot but enough to establish that it's not WP:OR.Mjpresson (talk) 23:33, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


 * "Cleanup" appears to be Mjpresson's private jargon for deleting anything s/he doesn't agree with, meaning chiefly something like the "See also" link to the One-hitter (smoking) article which describes an alternative way to use kief instead of in hot-burning, THC-destroying cigarette papers. Check Mj's "Contributions" page for many similar recent edits including a deletion (May 26) of the Australian Department of Health warning against mixing cannabis with tobacco "which can lead to unintended nicotine addiction".Tokerdesigner (talk) 21:01, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Tokerdesigner is under an indefinite block discussion here . Mjpresson (talk) 21:14, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

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Or whatever it is in the pic of/with the coffee grinder Red dwarf (talk) 10:54, 22 May 2021 (UTC)