Talk:Kilkenny

Ballylinch Estate
The only Ballylinch I know is the studfarm that forms part of Mt.Juliet Estate. If so it is over 10kms from Kilkenny City and is not relevant to this article. I've removed this entry as its incorrect and also seems to be a verbatim copy of content on another site. --MickMac 10:23, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Beamish
Just a thought - is Beamish stout not brewed in Kilkenny also?

Zoney 23:51, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Nay, it's brewed in Cork.

Quentin Peigné.

Sport
I've moved sport to County Kilkenny as it refers to county Kilkenny. CGorman 22:20, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

City
Sorry guys, but Kilkenny is just a town.


 * Read this currently law of the state, in particular:


 * (7) This section is without prejudice to the continued use of the description city in relation to Kilkenny, to the extent that that description was used before the establishment day and is not otherwise inconsistent with this Act.


 * Whilst Kilkenny does not have the status of city for administrative purposes, it may none the less be discribed as a city. Djegan 17:43, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

The above quotation of the law accepts that Kilkenny is a city, at least in name, as it is refered to as such. Any former capital is a city.

Whoever is moderating this must be from Kilkenny TOWN. I edited the page to say town where it said city but it has been edited back. There are 5 cities in the Rebublic of Ireland, Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Galway and Waterford. Not Kilkenny, it is a heritage city as is Wexford. Towns like Dundalk, Tralee and Ennis are larger, but the fact remains that there are only 5 CITIES in Ireland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.92.134 (talk) 15:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Smallest City
Tying in with the above, isn't "Ireland's smallest city" something akin to the "world's tallest midget"? 71.244.133.88 19:25, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I have updated the way the population is presented, fundementally the only important figures are those for the city itself, i.e. the area of the council as by law defined. "Environs" is a meaningless term in modern society. Djegan 18:11, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Re "environs" -- this is not meaningless, but is precisely defined by the CSO for all the cities. The figures for all the cities are drawn from the relevant CSO tables (Table 5, Volume 1 of the Census, http://www.cso.ie/census/documents/vol1_t5.pdf). BrendanH 21:23, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Certain I see those figures now. My main contention was that someone was incorrectly comparing Kilkenny (city+environs) with Armagh (city) and thus determining that Armagh was smaller. Djegan 21:49, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * For your information I changed the figures for the cities of Armagh and Kilkenny. It is irrelevent really who cares about figures, I'm sure we've all better things to do like go outside where our computers aren't. I hgave spent much time in both cities, and it is obvious that Kilkenny is in fact larger, geographically it's larger than Newry aswell, the only reason Armagh is considered bigger is because Armagh's boundaries exceed the physical city limits, "Armagh City" extends into the country side and continues for about 10km into green fields- this isn't a city. Whereas Kilkenny City Limits end before the actual city does, Kilkenny is actually a Borough and for some unknown reason a Borough's borders cannot ever be altered- thus why Kilkenny's population is officially 8,500 roughly. This population does not inlcude over half the city! It is for this reason it seems better to include the whoile city. This is also the case for Limerick which has a population around 93,000, but because part of the city falls outside the city council border, lying in Co. Clare it is never acknowledged as part of Limerick, which has a supposed 54,000 within city council-but you're excluding over 40,000 people! Armagh is absolutely tiny, I once got lost trying to find Armagh itself- now how could you miss an entire city??? Because it's tiny that's how! Armagh is no bigger than Maynooth. Armagh is definitely the smallest city in Ireland. Kilkenny's acutal population including parts of the city whic fall outside the old borough council border drawn pre 1900 is roughly 26,000. Let's be real if Dublin's population inclues areas outside city council than why canb't Cork, Limerick, Kilkenny and any other city?


 * "and for some unknown reason a Borough's borders cannot ever be altered" could you cite a source for this, to me it seams like utter nonsense. This is the real world where men can change the laws, since when was the Oireachtas prevented from changing the boundary of a borough or indeed creating or abolishing them altogether. Sources, not bizzard claims, please. Djegan 18:18, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Cities in Ireland
A discussion at talk:cities in Ireland which effects Kilkenny on these pages. Comments welcome. Djegan 17:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately it appears content (irrespective of quality) is now determined by straw votes, see Talk:Cities in Ireland. Comments welcome. Djegan 19:29, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Merger
A formal discussion is not an absolute requirement on a merger proposal, indeed a proposal is not required to merge, but a consensus is ideal in controversial cases. Theirfore I say move forward and merge The Marble City directly in without discussion and use it as a redirect as it is not going to be controversial. A clear cut case for merger without discussion. Djegan 23:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Michael O&#39; Carroll 19:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree Hughsheehy 15:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Kil'Kenny
Oh my god! They Kil'Kenny! The bastards! J I P | Talk 19:10, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Does anyone know if this is just coincidently, or if the creators of South Park actually knew about this place and gave Kenny the name on purpose? Mariusut 22:56, 11 Feb 2008 (CET) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariusut (talk • contribs)

Music
Fluffy?! mintchocolate 07:55, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Help
A native from your town, William Byrnes started my hometown Burnsville. He emigrated in mid-1800s. With a town the size of less than 10,000 people someone there has to know something about him or his kin. Just looking for information, please post on my talk page or on the Burnsville talk page. Funny though our town is about 60,000 strong now compared to the place he left for America :) Albeit no marble to be had. .:DavuMaya:. 20:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Climate stats in the article are wrong

 * Mean temperature in degrees C. for Kilkenny (met eireann) v (wiki)
 * Year		May	 Jun	 Jul 	  Aug	    Sep
 * Met E		10.3   13.3	 15.2	  14.7	    12.6
 * Wiki         12.0    14.5   18.0     18.5      15.0
 * Sarah777 (talk) 22:48, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Putting article section here so we can examine the evidence:

"Kilkenny enjoys the warmest temperatures in Ireland, according to statistics. It is frequently as hot as 26°C in the summer months, reaching a whopping 33°C (92°F) in the summer of 2006."


 * Sarah777 (talk) 22:51, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Tidal?
What is this supposed to mean?
 * Kilkenny, spanning the river Nore, is the only city in the Ireland that is not tidal.

I'm totally baffled, unless it's saying that it's the only city in Ireland that is not on the coast. Unschool (talk) 01:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * All the other cities in Ireland, even Limerick which is 50 miles from open sea, have ocean tides that cause a rise and fall in their rivers. Kilkenny is above the influence of the tides. It is a bit of a trainspotting point I grant you! Sarah777 (talk) 02:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * , Not at all. Given the size of the island, that makes perfect sense.  Thanks! Unschool (talk) 21:45, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * There's also the issue that this phrase describes Kilkenny as a city when it's not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.198.25.155 (talk) 17:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

List of streets

 * High Street
 * James Street
 * Kieran Street
 * Rose Inn Street
 * The Parade
 * Archer's Street
 * Patrick Street - Upper & Lower
 * Ormonde Road
 * Collier's Lane
 * The Butter Slip
 * Irish Town
 * Dean Street
 * The Castle Gardens
 * The Castle Road
 * The Quay
 * New Street
 * Michael Street
 * John Street


 * Removed this section also. What is the point? They don't link to articles. Imagine the Dublin article including a list like this? Or London!! Sarah777 (talk) 03:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

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City Status.
I have reveted changes by User:Esteban2008 and User:195.212.29.83 which have changed kilkenny status from city to town. For more on the subject see Talk:Cities in Ireland. I a not totally against such a change but no discussion has taken place and User:Esteban2008(Contributions) has changed Kilkenny and Waterford to town status in the 4 edits that he/she has made, I believe more discussion is needed.

The removal of the line by User:Esteban2008
 * This was recently given a legislative basis by Section 10(7) of the Local Government Act 2001,which allows for "the continued use of the description city", although it does not have a city council like the other Irish cities, but rather a borough council instead. 

does not help the reader understand why kilkenny might or might not be a City, also the addition of line
 * Kilkenny is not considered a city under full Irish law. 

is not referenced to anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrchris (talk • contribs) 14:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Black Death
According to this BBC article the death rate in Kilkenny due to the Black Death could have been 100% - not sure if that's true but if so, definitely worth mentioning --213.94.229.173 (talk) 11:48, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

12th century
Practically nothing in the "12th century" has anything to do with Kilkenny (including the image). I propose deleting this section, and perhaps placing the image in a more suitable article (if it isn't there already). Hohenloh + 16:27, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Moved Kilkenny to new article History of Kilkenny
Following WikiProject_Cities/Guideline and UKCITIES. Moved all Kilkenny sections to new article History of Kilkenny. Both this section and History of Kilkenny need better summarys. Mrchris (talk) 03:26, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Road Miles or not
I think that maybe in uses like "Kilkenny is in a sheltered location, over 60 kilometres (37 mi) inland" are ok to have as just normal miles or kilometres.

But, when writing "Nearby larger cities include Waterford 45 kilometres (28 mi) south-southeast, Limerick 93 kilometres (58 mi) west and Dublin 101 kilometres (63 mi) northeast" shouldn't the figure in road miles ie. Dublin 80 miles from Kilkenny by road? --89.100.72.226 (talk) 15:49, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Why? Modern road signage usually gives in kilometres only. RashersTierney (talk) 16:11, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, that wasn't very clear. What I meant was use the figure in road kilometres (miles).

Actual: "Nearby larger cities include Waterford 45 kilometres (28 mi) south-southeast, Limerick 93 kilometres (58 mi) west and Dublin 101 kilometres (63 mi) northeast"

Road Miles: "Nearby larger cities include Waterford 50 kilometres (31 mi) south-southeast, Limerick 126 kilometres (79 mi) west and Dublin 124 kilometres (77 mi) northeast" --89.100.72.226 (talk) 10:18, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I am confused by your terminology: when you talk of road miles, do you mean, perhaps, miles travelled by road, as distinct from the shorter distance, miles as the crow flies? I don't know the term road miles and at first I thought you might be referring to Irish miles instead of statute miles or something. — O'Dea  13:58, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The question of citing distances by road or by air was discussed before without proper resolution, so I have asked for guidance from the Help Desk. See also my discussion of the question, below.  — O'Dea  04:43, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Direct and indirect distances from Kilkenny ("road miles")
Following reflection and investigation, I believe User:89.100.72.226 employs the term normal miles to indicate staight-line distances (as the crow flies) and road miles to mean distances travelled on winding roads, as measured by a car's odometer.

I took the distances he cited and checked them on Google Maps using both the straight-line measuring tool (normal miles), and its driving directions tool (road miles). I confirmed that Kilkenny is in fact "over 60km" (i.e. 66 km) from the coast at Curracloe, Wexford—in a straight line. I confirmed the other straight-line distances cited too, to Waterford (45 km), Dublin (101 km), and Limerick (93 km). The odometer distances I found using Google's driving directions tool were, Waterford 49 km (4 km longer by road miles), Dublin 124 km (23 km longer by road miles), and by far the largest deviation, Limerick 128 km, (35 km longer by road miles). The latter deviation for Limerick is so great because Google suggests driving 40 km north on the N7 to the M7, before turning west, so the driven route is very indirect, though presumably faster. Selecting Google's suggestion for a walking route to Limerick, which is more direct using minor roads, the distance to Limerick by foot is 107 km (14 km longer by road miles).

No-one is surprised that the crow enjoys a shorter route than the driver or walker, but the question is, what is the professional geographer's convention when citing distances between cities for an encyclopaedia? Wikipedia is not a road atlas, so why would it cite distances by road? Perhaps Wikipedia has a stated policy on this question buried away somewhere in its Help section. — O'Dea 04:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Request for link on Kilkenny Wikipedia page
I'd appreciate it if you could put a link to www.kilkennyshopping.com on the Kilkenny Wikipedia page please.

Many thanks

86.45.25.171 (talk) 15:02, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Waste of time. It would almost certainly be removed as WP:LINKSPAM. RashersTierney (talk) 21:20, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Borough vs city
I'm confused by the sentence "The borough has a population of 8,661, however the majority of the population live outside the borough boundary". Is the borough not the city? If so, then the borough contains the city's population. How then can the majority of the population live outside the borough? If the borough does not define the geographic limit of the city, then what does? Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:29, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Etymology of "marble city"?
Does anybody know when the description "marble city" was first given to Kilkenny, and by whom? 93.107.2.255 (talk) 21:22, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

stag and hen parties
Hi I have removed the line -
 * The recent rise in "stag" and "hen" parties in the city has seen attempts made at local level to discourage such activity, without impinging on the vibrant nightlife the city is known for.

Could you give a citation. Thanks. Mrchris (talk)

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Bridges →CAS
The section on bridges needs some info about the Central Access Scheme and the expected completion date of the bridge. --AHert (talk) 11:18, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Kyteler Trials
Added a snippet in history about the Kyteler witch trials, with citations. Considering adding a section on Kilkenny lore and legends. Thoughts? Thanks! ME.Heffernan (talk) 03:32, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

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Kilkenny tourist attractions - dining out
I feel this article is “missing a trick” by not mentioning the fact that Kilkenny punches *way* above its weight for an Irish provincial town in the area of excellent restaurants.

Also - I think I remember Kilkenny making it into Condé Nest “Traveller” list “Top Ten Friendliest Places in the World.” A few years back. Ethnicolor (talk) 20:55, 28 February 2019 (UTC)