Talk:Killing Machine

"Altrnate Cover"
The "Alternate Cover" is incorrect, as it is not the original US cover, but the US re-release from 2001. The original version of the US cover does not have the gray border. Man of the night (talk) 21:35, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

"33RPM Cover"
I deleted that 33RPM cover simply because it wasn't Hell Bent For Leather/Killing Machine. Looking at the tracklist, it was a compilation record. If anything else it was a bootleg. Either way it certainly wasn't HBFL/Killing Machine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.19.193 (talk) 23:56, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Band?
Killing Machine is also the name of a metal band... does anyone have enough info on this band to start an article and add a disambiguation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.101.130.190 (talk) 05:46, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Title
The title of the article should be Killing Machine since it is the original and most widely-used title of the album, and the one endorsed by the band. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 136.1.1.154 (talk) 09:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
 * I agree. Moving... -- N eo fe lis N eb ul osa (моє обговорення)  07:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone seems to have restored Hell Bent For Leather, changed it back. The introduction needed changing anyway. Why anyone would want to use what essentially is a title censored in one country is a mystery. The guy on the front is supposed to be the Killing Machine!130.88.181.150 17:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Have put "merge" tags on both articles -- Sam 1123 18:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If the album is going to be listed under "Killing Machine", shouldn't the album cover be the one that actually says "Killing Machine"?


 * --Rock Soldier 01:06, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

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Fifth album, not fourth
After "Rocka Rolla, "Sad Wings of Destiny", "Sin after Sin" and "Stained Class" "Killing Machine" was the fifth album. The article says something about the "songs of their previous three albums" which therefore should be altered to "previous four albums". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wulfila21 (talk • contribs) 13:53, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Overview
The Overview on this is un-cited and off-base. It currently surmises that their change of stage costumes from flowing Gothic robes to leather may have been inspired by the rising punk and New Wave movements. This is then followed up by this quote (without a source) in support of the supposition: Glenn Tipton said in a contemporary interview that "I believe we are part of the New Wave. After all, we're fast, aggressive and exciting, which is what it's all about."

To be clear, the new wave that Tipton is referring to here is the New Wave of British Heavy Metal (NWOBHM), not New Wave music (see below). JP was in the midst of the Hell Bent For Leather tour when journalist Geoff Barton coined the phrase NWOBH, so this un-cited allegedly contemporary interview fits this timeline. Further, the description of "fast, aggressive and exciting" fits the NWOBH, not New Wave music.

Note on "New Wave": The existing overview makes it seem that JP was influenced by New Wave music (different from NWOBHM) especially as later it mentions, for no reason at all, that New Wave music band Human League covered Take On The World. In fact, Judas Priest's leather fashions inspired the NWOBHM bands.
 * Please sign contributions on talk pages so we can have a proper discussion! Stub Mandrel (talk) 17:36, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

School Shooting ?
I don't buy this (known as Hell Bent for Leather in the US due to controversy over the Cleveland Elementary School shooting), because the release listed here is Oct 78 but the shooting wasn't until Jan 79 according to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego). I think that it depends specifically on WHEN the U.S. release was. Everything I've seen matches the date listed here for the EU release, and that the U.S. release was 'shortly after', but no specific date. The Priest website isn't specific either, it has an entry for HB4L, but only states that it was released in 79, no month or date. I can't believe that they'd delay a release for over three months, missing the Christmas shopping season, then there's a shooting, so they retitle it? Smells fishy, I'd love some help debunking this. PLEASE HELP! FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 21:21, 12 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Looking below there, the Wiki article states that the title was changed "because the U.S. branch of Columbia/CBS did not like the "murderous implications" of the title". This makes more sense to me than the school shooting trope does. I suggest removing the passage about Cleveland Elementary. It's not easily referenced and there are two conflicting reasons given in the same Wiki article. Next thing that you know, this album will be cited as the CAUSE OF the Cleveland Elementary School shooting. FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 14:13, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed with both your posts. Here are the Discogs UK (1978) and US (1979) listings of the original vinyl releases. The master release page also states that ‘Killing Machine was retitled Hell Bent for Leather for US release, as the US branch of Columbia/CBS did not like the "murderous implications" of the album title’.
 * For now, I have added a ‘Citation needed’ tag, requesting a reliable source to verify the link between the name change and the school shooting. I could find only one page on listal.com that makes this claim, and it cannot be regarded as a reliable source. Alexanderino (talk) 01:14, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Album length?
At the top of the page, it says the album is 35:09 but in the tracklisting section it says it is 38:29. I’m going to assume the one in the tracklisting section is correct, but I wanted to ask about it before making any changes. Henoryry (talk) 14:48, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

My bad, at the top it actually says 35:06 Henoryry (talk) 14:49, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Flat sound?
I'm removing "Finally, the production of Killing Machine was markedly improved from Judas Priest's earlier albums, which were criticized for having excessively flat sound, and would be further refined for their next and breakthrough album, British Steel."

First if all, who says the production was "markedly improved"? I'm not saying it wasn't, but you need to cite this. "Excessively flat?" Who was saying this in the 70s? Stained Class certainly wasn't "excessively flat" sounding. 73.219.103.208 (talk) 22:57, 7 November 2022 (UTC)