Talk:Killing of Shani Louk

This article should be deleted
I hope wikipedia's not getting into the business of making articles for all killed people who aren't known for anything other than their death! Gee-wiz! She should be listed in Oct.7 article, nothing more. Tallard (talk) 00:10, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * there's a clear consensus for the article to remain linked from the talk page header section. VQuakr (talk) 02:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks like a piece of IDF propaganda. Dominant views change over time. Right now the dominant political voices are pro-genocide. Next year, that could be different. Decisions are not set in concrete. If the idea of deletion is not presently supported by the institutionalists, fine, but we shall continue fighting for the non institutionalist view. If not today, then tomorrow, next month, next year. Tallard (talk) 17:08, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Tallard, please stop with the trolling. Notability isn’t lost with time. The killing of Shani Louk (by terrorists, by the way) is notable for an article. See WP:DEGRADE. RodRabelo7 (talk) 17:39, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * RobRabelo7 your comment goes against the Wikipedia rule of presumption of good faith. Please refrain yourself. Tallard (talk) 17:55, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry for considering your behavior as trolling. RodRabelo7 (talk) 20:44, 11 March 2024 (UTC)


 * This isn't an article "for" Shani Louk, and she shouldn't be "listed" anywhere. We aren't going to list the names of 364 (music festival) / 766 (the whole of October 7's) civilian casualties. The topic of this event is summarized in two sentences of Re'im music festival massacre. I would support constraining our coverage to only those two sentences if not for other facts in this article, all more-or-less encyclopedic facts, that don't really belong in any other, more general, article; it is this additional information that justifies this being a separate article. If you think I'm wrong in the sense that these other claims in this article, that go beyond the two-sentence coverage in Re'im music festival massacre, are not worthy of inclusion, that they are encyclopedically unsuitable—you could start removing them from this article, and when the content is roughly similar here and there, per WP:SUMMARYSTYLE, It would then be a good time to redirect this article to that article. I am interested in whether you can make a compelling case that specific sentences/paragraphs should be removed. You can make that case by editing the article and explaining things in edit summaries. I might disagree and revert. We would then keep discussing. There is also the WP:MERGEPROP process, which could lead to the same result all on its own (or in combination with the trimming process), and hasn't been tried yet. Maybe also has some ideas about trimming this article as a lead-up to redirection/merger; he suggested redirection as the most desirable outcome in the last deletion review, and the closer of that deletion review said that that the proposal from SmokeyJoe deserves due consideration but this will need to be done editorially. So, I don't know, let's see if it can be done editorially, i.e. if a step-by-step editorial process can prove that redirection is the best outcome for the encyclopedia.—Alalch E. 19:37, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Alalch, if an upmerge proposal happens, I will certainly vote for it. A long time ago I put in a great effort in learning Wikipedia rules, and it was a horrible editing experience, and I will never again waste so much of my life arguing with people existing on a completely different plain of nobility. I now limit myself to an occasional "talk" here and there. So I'll "follow" this page, and await the eventual fix. Thank you. Tallard (talk) 17:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is a case for merging of victims, but it is not urgent. This person was subject to coverage.  The important question long term is whether coverages continues.  There is no case for deletion. SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Add AP photo prize fallout
Please add the political fallout of the AP freelance photojournalist winning a prize, the "Team Picture Story of the Year" International Award, for an image of Hamas parading Shani Louk's body. This was awarded by the Donald W. Reynolds Journalism Institute at the Missouri School of Journalism.

AP even posted a self-congratulatory message about this but has deleted it due getting blowback. This WP article is also missing the name of the photojournalist even though the article uses the reviled photo. The photo of Louk's body being displayed was taken by freelancer Ali Mahmud and captioned in part: "Palestinian militants drive back to the Gaza Strip with the body of Shani Louk, a German-Israeli dual citizen, during their cross-border attack on Israel, Saturday, Oct. 7, 2023."

Sources: , ,,, and

2601:19E:427E:5F90:140E:3AC1:9FA3:21A9 (talk) 22:34, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Body found and retrieved
According to IDF spokesperson, Hagari. Killed on the 7th, her body was taken into Gaza. 94.230.83.123 (talk) 15:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Added, thank you. —Alalch E. 15:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hamas responsible?
Are we sure Hamas was responsible for her killing? Could have also been a smaller Palestinian group. JDiala (talk) 17:04, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * All we can do is regurgitate what the sources say...... Or are you suggesting some sources say otherwise? Moxy 🍁 21:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Outdated footnote
Footnote B, regarding Orión Hernández Radoux, states he is still in Hamas captivity. This is not true, he was killed on October 7th: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-recovers-bodies-of-hostages-orion-hernandez-radoux-hanan-yablonka-michel-nisenbaum-all-slain-on-oct-7/ LivLovisa (talk) 18:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Photos from Shani Louk
Hello everyone

Yesterday I uploaded four photos of Shani Louk to Commons, which the photographer Rom Eliaz made freely available to us. I don't have enough edits on enWP since I work almost exclusively on deWP, but maybe someone who owns the rights would like to choose a better image instead of this pixelated "fair use" photo? Take the one you like best. Greetings: איז「Ysa」 07:23, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello Ysabella, I have used the first image as I think it is the best of the group. Thank you. —Alalch E. 23:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Alalch E.
 * Thank you so much! You choose very well! Greetings: איז「Ysa」 15:31, 29 June 2024 (UTC)