Talk:Kingdom of Ceredigion

Copyright problem?
There is a mass of unreferenced text in some sections of this article. It has obviously been copied from somewhere. How else does one explain this wording - "Passing references have [been] made in this chapter to the Vikings, but hardly anything is known of them in Ceredigion. There is the Norse name of Cardigan Island, Hastiholm, referred to in a previous chapter, and a single record of a raid on Llanbadarn Fawr, mentioned below."? If the text is "past its sell-by date" there is no copy-vio but it should be sourced as a quote and/or edited to suit the article, not repeated verbatim. If it's a copy-vio I can't seem to be able to trace it on the web, but that doesn't prove anything. Either way, this is not appropriate. Enaidmawr (talk) 00:38, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

All that is lower down the page, but the following is in the History section intro: "At some period whose date is lost to us, smaller lordships emerged all over Wales, called cantrefi and cymydau (commotes); we have already encountered them in chapter 2." Incredible! I've no time to do it now but this calls for a major rewrite and/or the possible removal of considerable chunks of text, unfortunately, unless a source can be supplied. Enaidmawr (talk) 00:45, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

This is the main edit which introduces the text:. Enaidmawr (talk) 00:52, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Why have you not written to me directly, Enaidmawr? I was given permission by the author to post the material.  Not sure how this can be dealt with; he really didn't want me to change any of it.  I did an obviously incomplete read through and a bit of editing, but missed  things.  What do you suggest as a solution?  Feel free to email about this if you like.  Hope all is well for you.  ~ Geaugagrrl talk 05:16, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm just now noticing this. Geaugagrrl, this is potentially a serious problem if copyright has been violated. I'm going to post this at Copyright problems to get some additional eyes on it.--Cúchullain t/ c 13:14, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

If Gerald Morgan wishes to freely license his book Ceredigion: A Wealth of History for use in Wikipedia, the proper procedure needs to be followed through Wikipedia's WP:OTRS office. The procedure can be found at Donating copyrighted materials. (IMO, I think it unlikely he would wish to give up his copyright.) As it stands, the text is a copyright infringement and must be removed. Blockquotes with proper attribution are limited to only small excerpts where the original text is necessary for meaning. Unfortunately, I have had to revert the article to the last clean version prior to the insertion. I'm sorry, but this means removing the hard work of editors who made any subsequent changes -- and the article will need to be rewritten using original language. — Cactus Writer |   needles  00:25, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, CactusWriter, I'm glad it's taken care of at least. And we still have something to work with, which is a start.--Cúchullain t/ c 13:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I will check with Gerald and see what he wants to do. As you can tell, I don't log in that much right now.  Please feel free to write me an email. Sorry it took me a while to respond and that posting this material has created a problem. Thanks for your help. ~ Geaugagrrl talk 02:57, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

End of kingdom?
Any information about when this kingdom came to an end? LastDodo (talk) 15:56, 1 October 2020 (UTC)