Talk:Kirsten Gillibrand/Archive 2

Why is the Chinese name relevant
Take the Chris Patten example. He is a Hong Kong expert. His Chinese name is tailor-made using common name-words. When people criticized him in the Chinese newspapers, they simply called him out by his Chinese name. He is famous for having the "千古罪人" contentious-label. By the way, the Chinese name of Kamala Harris has relevance too. https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/For-SF-candidates-Chinese-name-can-spell-edge-at-9191703.php If the election is at a US state-level where there is significant Chinese population, being popular among the Chinese community gives the politician a clear advantage. To be fair, there is no evidence that Harris lived in China / spent enough time learning Chinese (barely saying "hello" in Chinese is insufficient).

Reasons relevant to Gillibrand
 * 1) Google 陸天娜 yourself for the evidence;
 * 2) 陸天娜 sounds nothing like her English name (which got me confused in the beginning);
 * 3) 天娜 originated from the English name Tina (makes sense to me);
 * 4) She lived in Taichung;
 * 5) Asian studies major ;
 * 6) When Cory Booker (the other presidential candidate) announced that he is running, he spoke Spanish language too. I am not saying that speaking a foreign-language means that the politician is good at foreign-policy. I am saying that he shows genuine respect to the Spanish-speaking voters.
 * , I don't know about you, but I don't see any relevance here. (I can't hardly see it for Chris Patten either.) Drmies (talk) 22:34, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * , no. Stop edit warring. Drmies (talk) 22:35, 11 February 2019 (UTC)


 * It is definitely relevant to Chris Patten. He physically visited Hong Kong recently. . Won't you go and ask an administrator to protect the article? An impolite "I don't see" response is unhealthy for Wikipedia. Tony85poon (talk) 22:39, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * At the Sir Robert Hart, 1st Baronet article, there is a (wǒmen de Hèdé, 我們的赫德). Come on! 赫德 is the translation of his original surname Hart . It is not who you are underneath, but what you do that defines you. Tony85poon (talk) 22:49, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * People visit places all the time. Also, Gillibrand isn't Patten. Kirsten Gillibrand isn't Chris Patten. I am an administrator, by the way, and I'm not going to argue in too much detail here since much of what you say is irrelevant or doesn't make sense. (Hall spent significant time in China, as can be read in "Sir Robert Hart and His Life Work in China", and I assume that that nickname of his is verified.) Drmies It seems to me you are trying to stick in Chinese names where they aren't relevant. (talk) 22:52, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * "People visit places all the time." It is the Asian studies major that mattered.Tony85poon (talk) 23:19, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree that her 'Chinese name' should not be in the lead. The portion of English-language sources which call her by (or even mention) it is so small that it would clearly be giving it undue weight to list it there. I don't personally see a problem with it being mentioned in the article body near the text about her studying in China if it can be sourced to high-quality RS, but we should all wait for other editors to weigh in and see what consensus is before the name is potentially re-added anywhere. -sche (talk) 22:53, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Undue and absolutely not in the lede. How being an Asian Studies major automagically gives the Chinese version of her name is a mystery to me.
 * Google 陸天娜 yourself for the evidence. This is a bunch of Taiwanese websites, so relevant to the .zh article. For the English wikipedia? Not even close. --Calton &#124; Talk 23:53, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

I am curious to know what the Japanese-wikipedians think about ja:陸天娜. Tony85poon (talk) 23:23, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Go ask them over there. Drmies (talk) 23:24, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Or, better yet, why don't YOU tell us the significance instead -- especially since I'm not finding any other Japanese references to that usage, at all -- and that YOU ADDED THAT DETAIL YOURSELF. --Calton &#124; Talk 23:39, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Given that the Japanese article was created in 2016 and had exactly three edits before Tony85poon came along and made the same addition, it looks like whoever did it copied it from the Chinese article. If I could figure out how to move articles on the Japanese Wikipedia, I'd do so, to the standard Japanese katakana version (カーステン・ジリブランド). Oh, and see what happens when you Google THAT. --Calton &#124; Talk 23:53, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Anyone can go to the Japs-Wiki and undo all my edits. My point is that the Japs seem to like the Kanji. If they only want katakana and completely erase the Kanji, then I am wrong. Fair enough. Tony85poon (talk) 10:23, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * "the Japs"? Did I accidentally fall into a time machine back to 1944?
 * Your "point" was that you put something on a different-language Wikipedia and tried to use your own edit as some sort of authority here. Worse, what the hell would a JAPANESE language source have to do with a CHINESE language issue. And don't say "kanji", because they're not the same thing. --Calton &#124; Talk 14:50, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

I think the bigger question here is how do you write Gillibrand's name in Klingon? I know for a fact she likes Star Trek. If you leave out her Klingon name, Wikipedia is obviously biased against Klingons and editors will not get to meet Kahless in Sto-Vo-Kor. -- Scjessey (talk) 14:17, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I will avoid the temptation to add to the humor. Patten is best known for being a governor of Hong Kong, which is part of China, hence his Chinese name is significant. Gillibrand is best known for being a New York senator, where English is the de fact official language. There is no reason for including her Chinese name. TFD (talk) 00:42, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

"I keep two rifles under my bed"
This quote got a lot of coverage from secondary sources, long after she initially said it (she later clarified that she keeps them in/moved them to a safe) Seems notable enough. any objections to adding it to the article?

random sampling News Day, NBC, Rochester First, Gothamist National Review, Think Progress Buzz Feed, Politco Hydromania (talk) 07:53, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think so. The article already goes into Gillibrand's views on gun control at length, including how her position has evolved over the years. A quote like this would seem out of place, and not reflect her current thinking. -- Scjessey (talk) 16:13, 21 February 2019 (UTC)