Talk:Kitsch

William-Adolphe Bouguereau as a notable example?
I was confused to find William-Adolphe Bouguereau listed as a notable example of kitsch. There are articles out there that do claim that some of his works share characteristics similar to kitsch, but there is by no means a wide consensus on the matter, at least from what I have gathered (https://www.artrenewal.org/Article/Title/the-great-bouguereau-debate for example). I think it would be better and safer to instead include somebody like Jeff Koons, whose Banality Series was created with the intent to appear as kitsch. Maybe including Bouguereau somewhere else would be acceptable, but I think including him as a notable example is misleading. Ryzcheese (talk) 20:20, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree - I'm no great fan of W-A B, but this is inappropriate. Johnbod (talk) 00:15, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Bouguereau is not particularly kitsch, Jeff Koons' works were "created with the intent to appear as kitsch". Many observers consider them kitschy, yes, however the author has always said there's no hidden meaning in his sculptures. In interviews, Jeff Koons systematically refuses the qualifier of "kitsch". He says that's first degree for him. We can mention Koons' artworks as example here, but please be exact about the statement. -- Basile Morin (talk) 00:35, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I was kind of thinking myself that even Koons is not the best example, so I agree that it might be best just to leave him out altogether. Thanks for the feedback everybody.Ryzcheese (talk) 04:18, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Camp versus Kitsch
It would seem that Kitsch takes itself seriously, and camp recognizes itself as parody. Kitsch may offer itself as an allusion to economic success or political orthodoxy; camp is a spoof of such. Kitsch pretends either to some undeniable reality beyond judgment or to esthetic greatness; camp is more of a spoof.Pbrower2a (talk) 16:02, 11 January 2021 (UTC)