Talk:Kommissar Hjuler

Comment by Coxparra
Just my opinion, but I think that whilst the language and format of this article are close to the edges of what wiki wants, they actually fit the style and pattern of K Hj's work extremely well. The guy is most certainly notable. The asylum lunaticum cd is widely available. Just listen to it and you may see why the article has got it right. Maybe lunaticums deserve a different type of wiki? Gaud bless you, Kommissar! Coxparra (talk) 21:32, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

that bugging banner
I'd like to propose the removal of the "multiple issues" banner at the head of this articlette. Maybe it does not need a lead section because you can read the whole thing in the time it takes to boil an egg, which is the international standard for these things? The cited sources may be a bit ropey but they are factual enough and can be changed should they prove incorrect. The style of the article should remain unchanged, I feel, because it suits its subject matter. The horse's mouth must be worth something. So, unless it upsets anyone, I'll try to detonate the banner in seven days time. Coxparra (talk) 21:21, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Kommissar Hjuler shall become deleted?
Hello, I am Kommissar Hjuler, I have an account here for sometime, but only now started to work by myself on the article someone started on me. Also made some articles on my wife Mama Baer, Dietmar Kirves, a colleague at the NO!art Movement and Barbara Rapp, another colleague.

I try to learn by doing, but anytime I open the article, I am told, that I violated some rules.

I hope I did not, I am not sure, how I violated any rules, and now I am told, that the article can become deleted.

I need any help I can get,

Kommissar Hjuler mamabaer-hjuler -at- versanet.de —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.91.129.7 (talk) 07:11, 8 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Stop editing then. This is an encyclopedia. This is not your own personal ad space or website.  Yes, it is an article about you.  But it is supposed to be a NEUTRAL ACCOUNT.  If you are trying to get yourself deleted, then inject more bias into your edits. But if you want this page to stay, and become an honest account of your works, then stop editing yourself (and your wife for that matter).  That is all the help I will offer you. 70.15.11.44 (talk) 07:25, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Kommissar Hjuler is non-noteable?
Google leads you to nearly 100000 comments on Kommissar Hjuler at the world wide net, we are present at music scene since 1999 and have more than twenty LPs/CDs by regular labels availbale, have had several exhibitions of our art projects. Me and my wife have contracts with two galleries and have appeared at several festivals for msuic. So if any User here has the idea, that this article is a fake, she or he better googles to the term Kommissar Hjuler. And if still thinks so, a lot of other profiles need to be removed as non-noteable as well. I have to say, that other artists are better known, for sure, but this does not make an artist non-noteable.

If anyone of the Users here can help me to have this article any longer available here, any help is welcome, feel free to do the changes to safe this article.

Kommissar Hjuler —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.91.129.7 (talk) 07:23, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Please calm down. Just because someone has asked the question whether the subject of the article is non-notable, it doesn't mean that it is. There will be a discussion, in which you can participate (but be aware that you should make your potential conflict of interest transparent). Feel free to send me an email (go to my user page, on the left there is a "toolbox", one of the links there says "E-Mail this user". You may need to be logged in to do that.); in German if you prefer. -- Nczempin (talk) 07:43, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

First Time I discuss here. As mentioned, I am Kommissar Hjuler, and therfor astonished about the idea, that information here is a fake. I am not sure, who decides that an articles is removed. I tried to find enough references outside my website or private website. I did not know that blogs are not allowed, but some sides today only excist as blogs, our mostly spred interview was at artlout:com issue 04:08, this intervied idi only excists at the www., was never printed, this is an online magazine, but I was told, the articles was red more than a millin times by the magazine. So any blogs could be good references today, I thought. There is a lot of printed magazines that refer to us, mama baer and Kommissar Hjuler (or Kommissar Hjuler und Frau).

We can be regarded as musicians and as artists,we combine everything, music is art and art can be music. We started as musicians only in 1999, now have about 20 LP/CD contracts, gave lot of concert, but since 2005/6 even more work as artists, some exhibitions, and performances are often regarded as art instead of music, allthoug some were at music only festivals.

I am not used to the rules of writing articles, I am sorry for this, I will ot cause any trouble to any Users her.

At the moement I need some help, to get the artcile here safed from any deletion.

KHJ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.91.129.7 (talk) 09:08, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

notability list of points here at wikipedia
I see, well I looked at the notability list for musicians: My comments to the points

1. quite a lot of albums, listet at Discogs or reviewed at magazines, most famous "fan" of our music is Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth, who recommended us in an interview he gave for Arthur Magazine, sometime ago he wrote a track for us called Schwarze Police, this tracks was released as split release at Goaty, Kommissar Hjuler und Frau/Thurston Moore Schwarze Polizei, I refer to this and to other releases on the site here. 2., 3. Our music is far from any chart music, but THE WIRE (magazine) voted a CD by us, asylum lunaticum (Intransitive Rec., USA), to belong to the best 15 albums of the year 2009 in experiment/outsider music, I refer to this as well. 4. for some albums we made coverage tours, for the last one on Ulramarine we have a tour with seven concerts at UK, starting at Cafe Oto, London, 15th of April, I refer to all this as well. 5 We released at independent labels, but some excist for years and have a wide amount of releases. 6. we played with several groups and artists together, some have their account here, like Eugene Chadbourne. 7. www.kunstaspekte.de expects us to create a new form of happening, I refer to this as well 8. this will never happen, I woin a small price in art and got mentioned in a book,refered to it as well, 9. no 10. radios play us, a rdaio at Wisconsin once played only our music for a complete weekend, my wife is at womens radio, and WFMU has played a lot of our music and we are soon present at a CD by them 11, 12. we hope, this will come one day, the WDR III (televion) was at our place for an interview in 2006, but they did not send it at TV, they sent a radio special instead at Radio1, Nordrheinwestfalen, Offener Kanal made a special on us, sent here at local TV, also at a TV special for local TV at Kiel, sent all over Schleswig-Holstein, this special we also show at our website.

KHJ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.91.129.7 (talk) 10:01, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

My fault, not to sign, 87.122.58.227 (talk) 20:27, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

I hope this is a version one can keep here, please read this text and tell me, what I can do better. Kommissar Hjuler (talk) 13:22, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

External links to avoid
You may want to have a look at WP:LINKSTOAVOID for guidelines as to what kinds of external links are usually discouraged, particularly video sites in general, as well as Myspace. -- Nczempin (talk) 09:12, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I will take away the link to myspace, also some photos, it looks too much like apromotional site of Kommissra Hjuler as only an information site. Kommissar Hjuler (talk) 09:49, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

COI obvious to everyone her
My COI with the artcile on Kommissar Hjuler and on Mama Baer, my wife, is obvious to everyone, due to my Users name. I was not used to the rules here, but this was my fault, when starting an edit. The article here on my person was not showing all current information, I do not now the edititor, I found out about edit function, then added latest news on me. Only true news, but the references were not good, I learned about this as well in the last days. Wikipedia shall not be a promotional site for my person, it shall simply reflect the info on us, that is true. I now try to see from a distance, how to write down all info fitting to the rules. Everyone here shall test, if I am objective enough in my formulations, if not, I ask for your help instead of an deletion proecedere first. And I will listen to you and take any help I can get. The info here on us is true, so any suggestions by Users are helpful to me, to show in a distant view, that I am telling the truth.

I am supposed that a lot of artists are in COI with articles, for the system allowes anyone here to become a User and to work with texts. My User name is evident for the conflict, and I hope this shows you, that I was acting in good will for all changes, otherwise I would have called me different as a User. The system to me seemingly workt the way, that Users create artciles on subjects they new and like, so any user in a way has a COI, to me her it is evident.

Please discuss all points here that are important for me, to see, how I can handle best the COI, to get aware of it. I cannot get ware of it, but I possibly can show to you, that I can be objective. I am a police officer and I am used to being objective, especially when I am at the focus of people.

As mentioned at the talk about the notability, if I simply take away certain points here, I could become not relevant enought, not notable enough for an article here. I am supposed tha en.wikipedia is the correct platform for me and mama baer to be mentioned, we work all over the world at same time, we worked on all continents so far, we have contacts from several contries, not only from Germany, I would suggest that we work more outside Germany as inside germany. The one who once started the article on me here at en.wiki must have had this in mind.

So if you will comment here, please concider, that the information stated is correct, but that the terms of statement or refernce might be chosen in a wrong way.

I will do my best to be as neutral as possible.

One important thing: Possibly on is able to discuss the COI on the articles of Kommissar Hjuler and of Mama BAer at ONE TALK Side, not sure, if an Administrator can manage this. We are known in the same way, we often handle as one person, some performances we called ZWEI EINEPERSON or EINE ZWEIPERSON; because we always work together, also for our solo projects, we share all profiles like facebook, myspace, ..., we are really conected like a system.

Mama Baer's English is too bad, as if she could write her, so any comments are by me.

So, the facts are true, the way of refering to them might be completely wrong by me, and I need your help, to make best references.

Kommissar Hjuler (talk) 21:04, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment I am writing too fast, ... OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE HERE (E was missing at headline).Kommissar Hjuler (talk) 21:17, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment ....isn't it time to take away both headlines from this article? Headlines are older than 2 years. Please note the German articles on Kommissar Hjuler and Mama Baer if there are any doubts. 09:33, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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