Talk:Kristin Linklater

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Did some wikification. There needs to be a little bit of fact-check, though. 1) Is there a Guthrie Theatre in Stratford, Ontario, or is this the Shakespeare Festival in Stratford where Tyrone Guthrie first began working with the thrust stage he had built at the Guthrie Theater in Minneapolis? 2) There seem to be some websites by and about Ms. Linklater, but I haven't had time to track them down. Perhaps some enterprising person can do this? 3) I'm lousy at categorization. Someone want to take this on?  --KJPurscell 20:10, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Her official site suggests that it's the Theater in Minneapolis, but isn't entirely unambiguous so I've removed the location reference. --Whouk (talk) 11:23, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

October21,06: As one of the Founders of the troupe, Shakespeare&Co., I added a couple of facts explaining (funding)how the troupe began. The work in Warwickshire allowed Kristin a "place to stand" (her words in 1973) where she could use actors with which to further her ideas. I helped with funding and editing of the proposal to the Ford Foundation. I was there. I was an actor in the troupe. I have read the book. I refer to it when teaching voice to actors and singers. We enabled Kristin to experiment with her innovative ideas on voice. It did (underline did) lead to the book, "Freeing The Natural Voice." Now, to the individual(s) who has been fiddling with the information (erasing my reference to the book)I added under "More about Shakespeare & Co." What is your problem with my information? Am I wrong? Or, Lordy, Lordy, what is wrong with you? Please inform me in this space or let the facts stand. Yours, David Harscheid.

Reply to David Harscheid This is probably going to get me "flamed," but I thank you for finally identifying yourself. I've had difficulty with two things: 1) the anonymity of the contributions and 2) the apparent unwillingness of the contributor over the course of several months to learn either typing skills or the Wikipedia codes that would format the material correctly. I've gone back through the various versions of your additional paragraph, and I was reminded that much of the "fiddling" actually cleaned up a number of formatting train wrecks where material that the contributor apparently wished to emphasize turned up as non-existent Wikipedia templates and bad links to non-existent articles. We are actually fortunate that "fiddling" was all anyone did; your anonymity made the whole thing look an awful lot like vandalism, and my initial reaction was that your whole paragraph should be chucked. It was only when I saw that there actually was information about Shakespeare & Co. that I thought the paragraph should be salvaged, in the hopes that someone with information--and sorry, by making anonymous contributions you really didn't look like someone with information--would correct and extend it. If you wish the Wikipedia community to take you seriously, I would suggest that you get a free account and either learn the codes or let someone else "wikify" the material.

The problem with sourcing, though, isn't with your information or with your being right or wrong. The anonymous presentation up till now--and it is still somewhat anonymous until you have an account and a user name--still left every editor with nothing on which to base the claims made. "(Source--an original founder)" is essentially nothing. An "original founder"? Who? In what context? In what publication? In what interview? Where can I find more? You left all these unanswered, and again I'm surprised that over several months this didn't doom the whole paragraph with other editors. Now that we know who you are, there is still a problem. I'm willing to go a long way and accept on faith that you are what you claim to be, but the best you've given for attribution is not "The experience led to the book..." but rather "David Harscheid, a co-founder of the company, claims that the experience led to the book..." Better sources would look something like this: "In her dedication page of the book, Ms. Linklater thanks..." Or, "On page 163 of her book, she relates that among her inspirations was..." Or, "In her interview with Regis and Kathie Lee on such-and-such a date, Ms. L. confided that she was guided in her research by her experiences with..." The "place to stand" quote and the identified date is actually great material, but it isn't even in the article you wrote--it's on this Talk page! So where did she say this? Where can a reasonable researcher find these words? Why didn't you include it in your article?

What I would love is more information about Shakespeare and Co.! I would suggest even writing it as a separate new article. In fact, that was my first thought when I saw the paragraph, but I didn't know enough to write the article. You do. I have some personal interest in the theatre world, and I would be delighted to learn more. You would have to put aside some pride; editing Wikipedia is not for the timid. And you might learn that the subjects of history are not always its best authors. Firm, objective sourcing is important. But I would encourage you to do that writing, always aware that it will be preliminary writing. If you'd be willing to put such material to a critique, you can message me here on this Talk page.

As to what is wrong with me? Many things. I'm willing to admit them and move on. Trusting that you are of like mind, I remain yours. --KJPurscell 17:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

To KJPurscell: Thanks for informing me as to procedures, etc. for entering data. I thought I had registered as a user a couple of months ago, and could be indetified as such simply by by entering comments into Wikipedia. So, my bad. I am new to computer pathways and my sins were of the ignorant type. I have more to ask and explain, but am busy with a ton of work right now (film project) and will ask/answer more soon. Yes, I really am what I declared in the notes. Sorry I was sloppy in my entry--I actually have done historical research in the past, and wasn't sure about Wikipedia rules. I hope I have entered this info correctly. And am I really not registered?User?:David Harscheid, October27,06.

To David Harscheid--No, you may be registered, but you're not showing up as logged in. Your edits are being listed as coming from an anonymous source, specifically the computer located in cyberspace at 71.241.255.71. What this probably means is that you need to go to the Wikipedia main page and then log in (look at the top of the page). After you've done that, your edits and contributions will automatically be listed as coming from you (for example, click on "Page history" on this page and you will see all the edits and who made them). Signing Talk pages (like this one) also becomes easier; when I get to the end of this comment, I won't have to type the double brackets and my user name, etc. I'll just put four tildes in a row or, if I'm really feeling lazy, I'll press the signature button on top of this very edit box. Wikipedia will then automatically put the code in, even putting the date it! Help in editing is pretty easy to find at the Help:Contents/Editing Wikipedia page. But right now, the first thing you need to learn is to stay away from double square brackets and double curly brackets  for emphasis. The first set makes links to other articles inside the Wikipedia; the second makes use of something called "templates" which manipulate the layout of words and pictures.

When you get logged in successfully, leave me a note here and I'll show you how to leave messages on my personal Talk page. (You have one too, by the way.) Until then, the Talk page for this article is on my watch list, so you can post here and I'll get the message the next time I log on. Hope things are going well on your project. And welcome to Wikipedia. --KJPurscell 17:50, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

To: KJPurscell re: logging in and creating an account with Wikipedia. Per your instructions above tried several times to log in on the main page, but it kept telling me "there is no such member as David Harscheid." I changed password, etc., to no avail. What to do? Nov. 3, 2006. D. Harscheid

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