Talk:Kuber

Re-do
I have touched-up the aricle using non-Balkan sources. It is a bit more scientific now, since it doesn;t attempt to pass the issue off as it is 100% certain, when it is notHxseek (talk) 01:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the work. I'll try to find the source for Zlatarski's view and re-add it - he's only the biggest Bulgarian historian after all. Cheers. -- L a v e o l  T 22:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Kuber
9thC chronicler Theophanes writes that two of Kubrat's sons crossed the Danube and went further, one to Avar Pannonia, the other to the Pentapolis at Ravenna, Italy. Now the Greek Orthodox Legend of St. Demetrios [Migne J-P .: Patrologia Greco-Latina, Tomus CXVI, Paris, 1891, p. 1363 sqq] tells that about 680 the Avar ruler nominated a governor for the non-Avar peoples whose name was Küber. This Küber led an exodus from Avaria, fought with the Kagan, and reached Keramesium, near to Thessaloniké. Now in the Madara inscript Kagan Tervel of Bulgaria states that his uncle lives near to Thessaloniké; and Küber was Tervel's uncle indeed. http://www.rmki.kfki.hu/~lukacs/AVARS.htm

Utigur?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kuber&diff=636923743&oldid=636879541 please quote the source here for us to read. Thank you. 2.97.137.43 (talk) 01:42, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Kuber's Khanate?
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"Professor Vasil Zlatarski, a Bulgarian scholar, suggests that Kuber was the ‘unnamed son’ of Great Kubrat. Certainly, being a prominent prince would explain why the Avars gave him rule, and his appearance in 670 chronologically fits the downfall of Old Bulgaria. He also suggests that Kuber's people represented a second Balkan Bulgar ‘state’ in Macedonia, parallel to that of his brother's Asparukh realm in the north-eastern Balkans (modern northern Bulgaria). Whether he had established a state of sorts or not, nothing is mentioned of Kuber after the 680s,[2] but in the beginning of the 8th century Asparukh's son, Tervel, is said to have cooperated with "his uncles" from Macedonia.[5]"

Kuber did not establish a Khanate on Macedonia, he only was temporarily stationed in southern Albanian before he migrated north of the Danube. Hugo Grothe states that as late as the ninth century Bulgarian inroads into unconquered Slav territories "were undoubtedly raids carried out by marauders, which could hardly left any ethnic traces on these territories."

If there was no ethnic traces left by Kuber then why does the wikipedia article say Bulgars crossed with the tribe of Dragovichi? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Novi Pazar (talk • contribs) 13:49, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Source:

Hugo Grothe, Auf turkischer Erde, Berlin, 1903, p.361 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Novi Pazar (talk • contribs) 13:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Please make the difference between Bulgarians, which are Aryan and some uses of the ethnonim "bulgar", in some turkik tribes.
These is a common spread mismatch when people, who do not know the history refer to the Bulgarians (slavi-speaking Aryan people) and some Asian kipchak-speaking tribes or people, called for historical reasons "bulgars" or "bolgars", as they settled over the old Asian Bulgarian lands. Those kipchak-speaking people, may have remains from the old Bulgarian elements, but this is not the refer point for the Bulgarian researches. It is opposite. The Old Great Bulgarian Lands, that had once covered over the present Russian and Ukrainian territory, were inhibited with different old nations and in some period - lived bordered within the old Bulgarian Empire. latter, the most of the Bulgarians were killed, expatriated or the remains of them - mixed with the new-comers. - So the nowadays "Bulgar" in Russia, are not "Bulgarians", even if they took the name... They bear their own culture, language, traditions, religion THAT HAVE NOTHING COMMON WITH THE OLD AND MODERN BULGARIANS. So.. The old Bulgarian king were knyaze, they talked a Slavic language, as well as the modern Bulgarians, and look pretty "European" - There were no "hans" or "khans". No "old Turkic" language in BULGARIANS and so on. --212.5.158.130 (talk) 19:47, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Anon, please read some basic policies before editing WP. For instance, an editor's own theory is not relevant if it was not published in a reliable source, according to WP:NOR. Please also understand that edit warring is prohibited in our community. Please read WP:3RR. Borsoka (talk) 12:46, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Madara Rider
What does the inscription say? Does it mention Macedonia or does it only refer to Kuber's uncles? Borsoka (talk) 02:22, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

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