Talk:Lübeck

Bank
"Under the Continental System, the bank went into bankruptcy and from 1811 to 1813 Lübeck was formally annexed as part of France until the Vienna Congress of 1815." Which bank? Was there some famous bank in Luebeck. As far as I know this is the first mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gobanian (talk • contribs) 13:37, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Initial comment
 Danzig took over the lead of the hansa  There is absolutly no source in history that Danzig ever took over the lead in the hansa, Danzig was the head of the division of hansa cities in (East-) Prussa and Livland. The last session of the old hansa (Hansetag) was in 1669 in Lübeck under its iniative. After that the hansa was represented solely by the three sister cities Bremen-Hamburg-Lübeck. I intend to change that in the article.--Kresspahl 20:41, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Status of a City-State
I think this article should mention that Lübeck was once one of the four Hanseatic City-states, and mention how it lost that status. I think it's because East Germany didn't accord it to the bombed-out city of bourgeois merchants who were to be thrown "on the scrap-heap of history," nor, with the change in its capacity as a merchant port, did West Germany upon unification. So what's its current status? It's not going to be a Hamburg, let alone a Frankfurt; is there any active movement to bring this about? --Sobolewski 05:25, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * For the status of Lübeck: Lübeck lost its status by the Greater Hamburg Act in 1937 (Gesetz über Groß-Hamburg und andere Gebietsbereinigungen) when it came to Schleswig-Holstein. The port is No. 4 in Germany and the largest German port at the Baltic.--Kresspahl 12:17, 14 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I have just created a separate entry for the Free City of Lübeck. See Lübeck (state). At the moment, it contains a fair bit of text that is copied from this page, but I think a separate entry is necessary to avoid any confusion. — 52 Pickup 11:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I've been living in Lübeck for nearly a year now, and from what I heard, Hitler had a dislike for Lübeck because during his tours of Germany before he rose to power, he wasn't let into Lübeck. Thus, as his revenge he took away Lübeck's Free-City Status. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.179.235.85 (talk) 00:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation incorrect
The file linked from the article gives an incorrect demonstration of the pronunciation. In fact, the "c" in "Lübeck" has a different function from most other occurences of "ck" in German, where it would indicate a short preceding vowel. In Lübeck (as in Mecklenburg), the "c" belongs to the "e" (rather than the "k") and serves to lengthen it, meaning that the correct pronunciation is "lübeek" as spelled in pseudo-phonological German. This old-fashioned spelling often confuses speakers from outside northern Germany, and indeed "lübekk" is not rarely heard, but nevertheless, the former pronunciation is the historically correct one and the only one that is acceptable to most Lübeckians. Please change the sound file or at least explain the orthographic peculiarities. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 91.64.30.201 (talk) 19:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC). PS. The german article has IPA code for the correct pronunciation.

the pronounciation in the file is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.82.32.33 (talk) 19:52, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Importance of the River Wakenitz
I lived in Lübeck for 12 years and though the river Wakenitz is a well-known landmark, it's really of no significant importance. It's neither used for public and economical transport, nor has it any economical value, except for a couple of restaurants and some places people sometimes come for swiming. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 91.64.122.11 (talk) 18:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

In scandinavian languages the name lybeck could be derived from the norse word meaning "Leutenbach". St.Trond (talk) 08:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

history
The Wik article on the Hanseatic League has an intersting comment on the city and Hitler that might belong in the hsitory section (which is too short in general). Kdammers

Place name for WWII refugee camp
I have a slight problem to find a place named "Herrenwiek" (at least pronunced like that). I got a bit of information about WWII refugee camps "in Herrenwiek and in Lübeck", I searched for it with Answers.com and got Spell Check suggestion Lübeck-Herrenwyk, which linked to now-deleted wikipedia article which said that "Herrenwyk is a part of Lübeck dominated by industrial facilities". Now I'm here to ask if there is such part of Lübeck and could it be what I'm looking for - I suspect one camp in that part of the city ? Xil/talk 16:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Herrenwyk is part of Lübeck between Lübeck and Travemünde on the banks of river Trave. I suppose, you are searching for the camp "Am Stau". It is very close to the Herrentunnel.--Kresspahl 07:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Xil/talk 21:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Why is Danish name relevant?
Why is the Danish name for the city (Lybæk) included at the top of the article? The city has never been part of Denmark and does not have a Danish minority population, and this is the English language wikipedia. I suggest removing it.--Barend (talk) 10:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal
I proposa to merge the Lübeck-Herrenwyk article into this article. The Lübeck-Herrenwyk article is very short and there is no perspective to significantly expand it. Also, the important information about Lübeck-Herrenwyk is already included in this article. Beagel (talk) 18:57, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Citation source for historical info
Interesting info here that also could help with lack of citations in the article as it is now: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-politically-incorrect-guide-to-ending-poverty/8134 -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 19:44, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Governing party
Since 2008 we have changing majorities, normaly with a minority government of SPD+Green Party in lübeck. u can see the full parliament here: www.luebeck.de/stadt_politik/rathaus/buergerschaft/zusammensetzg/images/Sitzplan_Luebecker_Buergerschaft_100701.pdf

91.20.225.216 (talk) 00:19, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Malskat
Malskats "wild turkey fake" happened in the church of Schleswig, not in Lübeck. See german Wiki: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lothar_Malskat — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.18.5.110 (talk) 05:08, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Hospice of the Holy Spirit - Article
Hi! I think an article for the Hospice of the Holy Spirit (Lübeck) should be created. It's credited as one of the world's oldest social institutions and a precursor to modern hospitals. See German article. -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 16:36, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment
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Politics section
Re: the dispute raised by over the Politics section of the article. The changes I introduced can be found here. I'm seeking consensus to reintroduce the changes found in this edit.

This format and level of detail is in line with dozens of other articles for cities in Germany (ie Munich, Cologne, Frankfurt, etc) which have been implemented without complaint. It's a simple overview of the most recent round of municipal elections, featuring the direct election of the Mayor and the election of the City Council. I do not believe that the change introduced by RandomCanadian, reducing the section to ''The current mayor of Lübeck is Jan Lindenau of the Social Democratic Party (SPD). The most recent mayoral election was held in 2017. The Lübeck city council governs the city alongside the mayor.'', is satisfactory for giving a summary of local politics.

I also disagree that the level of detail violates WP:NOTSTATS or is excessive in the context of the page which, notably, also includes such things as a table detailing statistics for 14th-17th century butter and copper exports from Stockholm to Lübeck. It is not necessary to create a dedicated page for a simple summary of the last round of local elections, especially when it already fits easily and comfortably into the page.

Erinthecute (talk) 00:55, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Lubeck was an important trade city during most of that period, and detailing the importance of trade with statistics to showcase this might be a valid use case. However, that is really more of a deflection than anything else: it's possible there's a problem there, but that doesn't mean adding yet more problematic stuff is ok. Details of local elections (such as detailed results tables) are not usually something that should be included in an article about the city. To take examples from articles like New_York_City or Berlin, such information can very well be summarised without having to list exact details (and in fact, given that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, a "summary of information", not a collection of the whole of it, that would be the preferred route). Simply wishing to have the section look more complete by filling it with a big, eye-catching table - instead of trying to look for sources to support properly written prose - is not really a good way to achieve that. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:06, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I'm mystified by what the issue is here. A table detailing the basic results of elections - votes, percentages, seats, and changes - is not in any way excessive or unusual, especially when there is no alternative place to show such information. Why specifically take issue with this while tacitly defending the inclusion of a table detailing precise statistics about the late medieval Baltic copper and butter trade? Also, with the last sentence, I'm not really sure what you're trying to suggest here - that I'm conspiring to cover up my lack of writing talent by adapting sources into tables for ease of use rather than exclusively prose? Erinthecute (talk) 02:11, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not defending the use of other tables (other than saying that there might be a valid reason for those too), I'm saying that's a separate issue - a false equivalence is not a compelling argument. I'm taking issue because this is not providing useful, encyclopedic information to the reader - except for those intrinsically interested in detailed election results, this kind of attention-grabbing detail (a big table, with colours and occupying a decent amount of space - and then you have two of them!!!) on an article which is not about an election is not providing a "summary of the information" - it's providing statistics for the sake of statistics and not much useful information from them. The final sentence is simply stating that providing actual information using prose would be far preferrable to having a table which is WP:RECENTISM on just the latest elections. Like, I don't know, any of the examples I've given so far, or maybe Marburg; London (a good article); Toronto, or many others. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:34, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Greater Hamburg Act and Hitler's campaign
I removed this anecdote about the Greater Hamburg Act from another article.
 * In 1937, the Nazi Party removed this privilege through the Greater Hamburg Act possibly because the Senat of Lübeck did not permit Adolf Hitler to speak in Lübeck during his 1932 election campaign. He held the speech in Bad Schwartau, a small village on the outskirts of Lübeck. Subsequently, he referred to Lübeck as "the small city close to Bad Schwartau."

Maybe it's useful here. Or not. JaikeV (talk) 13:20, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Etymology
If the original Slavic name was *L’ubice, how come the contemporary name is pronounced with [k]? The suffix for "X-id / son of X" (*-icь in Western Slavic) was originally *-itjь, not *-ikъ, so there's no way one dialect pronounced it with [c], while another one kept unpalatalized [k]. Perhaps another suffix was used, e.g. *-ьk-, -ik-. And the root could be *lub-, with umlaut appearing in Saxon because of the vowel in the suffix, rather than *l’ub-. 89.64.68.227 (talk) 01:31, 29 February 2024 (UTC)