Talk:LGBT history in Canada

Untitled
Perhaps some expanded history might be helpful here. We have bullet points of some of the highlights in terms of political history. There are large gaps in which organizations are not mentioned. LGYT was an important presence in Toronto's gay and lesbian political youth movement. The group's meeting space was the 519 community center on Tuesday nights during the 1980's and 1990's. Some history of the gay ghetto in terms of its bars and restaurants might also be a section. The St. Charles was an important feature of Yonge street and later the Chez Moi on Hayden street (now a parking lot) was an important lesbian bar during the 1980's and earlier 1990's. Also perhaps a section for each province to have a historical record would be a good idea. Newfoundland's LGBT development as a community and a political movement for example was vastly different from that of Toronto. It operated loosely out of Memorial University (The Muse - the university paper had much to do with this) as well as the Women's Center. Early establishments such as Friends, Madames, Earharts, Club Max and even the Ship Inn (for the artsy LGBT) were important places where the LGBT community saw it's beginnings. Judedmstewart (talk) 16:11, 19 September 2011 (UTC) judedmstewart

Proposal to merge this article and Timeline of LGBT history in Canada together
I am proposing that this article and Timeline of LGBT history in Canada be merged together. I am making this proposal because, as it stands now, both of these articles are a timeline of Canadian LGBT history over the years and as such having them both duplicates things. --Devin Murphy (talk) 08:43, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * LGBT history in Canada, while currently written and structured in a way that resembles a timeline more than it should, is meant to be much more of a broad overview article about the overall sweep of LGBT history — while Timeline of LGBT history in Canada is meant to be much more detailed about specific incidents which, while noteworthy in the context of the timeline, weren't defining of the overall arc of history in the manner necessary to warrant being mentioned in a general overview of the topic. For one example, Montreal's pride festival getting handed off from Divers/Cité to Fierté Montréal in 2006, while worthy of note in the timeline, isn't particularly noteworthy in the broad overview — and there are many other incidents in the timeline for which the same can be said.
 * There's quite a bit of precedent for dividing the topic up in this way; see also LGBT history in the United Kingdom vs. Timeline of LGBT history in Britain. While there's no Timeline of LGBT history in the United States per se, in that case it's because the timeline is so massive that instead separate timelines do and/or should exist for each individual state within the US — so, in reality, the US actually is divvied up the same way even though it might not look like it on the surface.
 * So while I'd support rewriting LGBT history in Canada to deemphasize the "timeline"-like aspects of its structure, I don't agree with a merger proposal — there are a lot of things that are perfectly appropriate for mention in the timeline that would be too trivial to warrant singling out as important historical developments in the overview article. Bearcat (talk) 09:57, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Bearcat, I am ok if we do as you suggest instead of going the way of my proposal. And if we did this then I feel the leads of each of theses articles would need to be expanded to better articulate their intended purpose and scope. Maybe even with a mention of each article in the others lead. --Devin Murphy (talk) 04:31, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * After some reflection, I have decided to withdraw my merger proposal. Instead I have decided to work on refining and expanding the leads of theses two articles to help give guidance to their contributes on what to include and what not to include and to indicate what is there differences from each other are. --Devin Murphy (talk) 13:55, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Transinvisibility
First mention of a transgender topic in the article is a Dec 2012 bill in Nova Scotia, and there appears to be not a single trans person mentioned by name or reputation in the entire article. In fact, trans history in Canada predates European colonization. Can we get some balance here? Mathglot (talk) 21:17, 30 June 2016 (UTC)


 * So, I've started it off, by adding a comment about Jesuit Joseph-François Lafitau's observations of cross-gender behavior among the Iroquois from his time as a missionary in 1711-1717. Now all we have to do, is fill in the trans history of the intervening 300 years!


 * One of the references I used for it should be a treasure trove of information for the article, namely "Queerly Canadian" (see below).  The WorldCat listing has the complete Table of Contents in the "Details" section; click the OCLC number in the citation.
 * Mathglot (talk) 19:48, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Suggested sources
Please add references that could be useful for improving this article here:

Mathglot (talk) 23:40, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * - "remarkable and comprehensive" (review)
 * - plenty of Canadian coverage; "unique and pioneering work", "comprehensive collection of documents" (review)
 * - topical listing of monographic and serial literature up to 1984.
 * - an anthology "documenting and celebrating almost 50 years of trans activism across the country" (review)
 * - a list of dozens of books and journal articles
 * - has Canadian content, for example Bella Coola people from B.C. (reviews)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on LGBT history in Canada. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20151112213528/http://www.canada.com/national/story.html?id=41a2cfbb-5124-4527-8627-3af8aa1919de to http://www.canada.com/national/story.html?id=41a2cfbb-5124-4527-8627-3af8aa1919de

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 17:21, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on LGBT history in Canada. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141214075829/http://dailyxtra.com/ideas/looking-back-at-quebec-queer-life-since-the-17th-century-50897 to http://dailyxtra.com/ideas/looking-back-at-quebec-queer-life-since-the-17th-century-50897
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141214082823/http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/montreal.html to http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/montreal.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 09:38, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Inadequate lead
The lead does not fill the purpose according to WP:LEAD; in particular, it doesn't summarize the body of the article. The second sentence should be removed, and turned into a disambiguating hatnote. The lead needs to be replaced with a proper introduction to the article. Mathglot (talk) 03:54, 31 July 2019 (UTC)