Talk:Laissez-faire

Reverted Edits
since my edits have been reverted I would like to discuss them here so we can reach consensus please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meistro1 (talk • contribs) 08:00, 23 July 2023 (UTC)


 * "Another basic principle of laissez-faire holds that markets should naturally be competitive, a rule that the early advocates of laissez-faire always emphasized."

what does this mean "should be"? it seems to me that principle of laissez-faire is that markets are naturally competitive, and the statement should be implies something else (is a pre-amble to advocate intervention). Why the phrasing "should be" instead of "are"?


 * "With the aims of maximizing freedom by allowing markets to self-regulate, early advocates of laissez-faire proposed a impôt unique, a tax on land rent (similar to Georgism) to replace all taxes that they saw as damaging welfare by penalizing production."

This section should be deleted. It is too irrelevant to the topic of laissez-faire. The top section should just be about laissez-faire. Meistro1 (talk) 07:59, 23 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I take it that your reverted edits were deletions of these sentences?
 * I disagree that the second is irrelevant. A Georgist tax enables the state to collect revenue with a minimum of interference in productive activity; it thus advances laisser-faire goals.  (Now putting my anarchist hat back on) —Tamfang (talk) 23:09, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * whatever your personal feelings on a georgian tax are, it is irrelevant to the section 2001:4451:1AA:7500:4771:5965:53D5:DC1B (talk) 05:02, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * What if this ‘feeling’ were sourced to a more prominent advocate of l-f and Georgism? —Tamfang (talk) 01:07, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

NPOV + Undue weight
This article is absurd leftist propaganda. The section on laissez-faire capitalism is 7 (sic!) times smaller than the section on socialism. Despite the fact that the text itself says: "laissez-faire has been commonly associated with capitalism".

Meanwhile, Google search:


 * 1) Laissez-faire capitalism - 9,230,000 results
 * 2) Laissez-faire socialism - 902,000 results
 * 3) "Laissez-faire capitalism" - 313,000 results
 * 4) "Laissez-faire socialism" - 1,710 results

As you can see, the difference in the number of results ranges from 10 to 300 (!!!) times, which is not reflected in the article. The article falsely promotes the idea that there is some kind of "laissez-faire socialism", when the sources on this term are completely marginal compared to "laissez-faire capitalism". 5.228.4.240 (talk) 12:36, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I think the obvious solution is to split the article. let's make this one about laissez-faire capitalism (could even change the name to laissez-faire capitalism) and then just link to laissez-faire socialism article Meistro1 (talk) 10:49, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * To be fair, 313000/1710 is only 183, not 300. —Tamfang (talk) 00:54, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Meistro1 @Tamfang @5.228.4.240 "Socialist" should be changed to "non-capitalist" or "anti-capitalist" because for example Thomas Hodgskin was a Whig and he is described by some (for example, Diego Zuluaga) as a classical liberal.
 * Hodgskin proposes his own radicalization of what in law is called specificatio (or accession), laissez-faire and free trade. The author explicitly draws on John Locke's labor theory of property acquisition. See Labour Defended and the Natural Right and Artificial Right of Property Contrasted by Hodgskin.
 * Benj. R. Tucker expresses the same concept in Instead of A Book. 93.45.229.98 (talk) 18:00, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * tucker was also a socialist, at least when it came to economics. he opposed interest and profit, and was a hyperinflationist (like Proudhon). Meistro1 (talk) 01:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

etymology of liberism

 * In Italy, philosopher Benedetto Croce created the term "liberism" (derived from the Italian term liberismo),

This seems to say that before Croce there was an Italian word liberismo, from which Croce made the English word liberism; I suspect that is not accurate. —Tamfang (talk) 01:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


 * You're right, it's unclear. Croce coined "liberismo" ("liberism" is the anglicized word). 93.38.68.62 (talk) 15:57, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Use of the "Gadsden flag" to represent Laissez-faire?
When the hovering tool-tip page preview in articles that link to this (Laissez-faire) article (i.e. from Corporatism such as the section here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism#Fascist_corporatism ) the page preview contains the Gadsden "don't tread of me" flag. I don't think this is representative of the article.

I cannot see where this flag is being referenced in the article - I suspect in some HTML "hidden popup hint" as per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation_popups#Features whereby the image shown in the preview can be controlled by adding an image hint to the article, in the form of an HTML comment such as <-- popup -->.

But this is beyond my editing skills to resolve.

Can someone correct this page? 89.242.207.237 (talk) 11:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)