Talk:Laurent Gbagbo

Introduction POV / Poor Writing
On October 11, 2019, a user at IPV6 2607:ea00:103:4803::c edited the introduction to remove information that, in good faith, the user believed to be "French sponsored propaganda published as facts." Leaving aside that assessment, the replacement swings wildly towards an opposing POV using poor sentence structure, grammar, and an incorrect citation. I am not knowledgeable enough on this subject to determine an appropriate replacement for this section, or indeed whether the original text prior to the edit was accurate, neutral, or sufficient. I'm requesting that someone with a better understanding of the topic edit the introduction to remove the POV problem. Thanks! Blaiseball (talk) 20:57, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Questions
Does anyone know why Gbagbo is always called "strongman" in news stories? -- tmcdouga

This article is not neutral
For instance:


 * In November 2004, Gbagbo broke the cease-fire. Even if the rebells had refused to disarm, he had no right to bomb the North. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.176.246.125 (talk) 10:49, 15 April 2007 (UTC).

Fair use rationale for Image:Gbagborti.jpg
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2010 presidential election - This section is not neutral
"Ouattera also took the oath of office, as the actual winner. The entire world recognized Ouattera as the winner of the election and called Gbagbo's "win" for the fraud it was,"

Need I say more? I know very little about this situation, but clearly it's in dispute. The person who wrote this needs to check out Wikipedias neutrality notes - it's an encyclopedia, not a propaganda board, no matter how correct you may be.

121.98.162.211 (talk) 21:53, 19 December 2010 (UTC) Kevin


 * There is no dispute: You were right, the statement was inappropriate, and I really don't think anybody will disagree. Incidentally somebody already reworked the sentence. So I will remove the dispute message box. -- Tomdo08 (talk) 20:38, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * There is another issue, the sentences "Alassane Ouattara was declared the winner and was recognized as such by election observers" and "disputed by the Ivorian Electoral Commission and international election observers". The first is uncited and the second cited with a link to this BBC article. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12045387 The only mention of observers in the article is "The UN was invited by Ivory Coast to supervise the election" which is a little light on facts and details for a real citation. The actual UN resolution http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/RES/1528%282004%29 mentions that the UN mission is to "To observe and monitor the implementation of the comprehensive ceasefire agreement of 3 May 2003, and investigate violations of the ceasefire". There is no mention of election observation here. There is a mention of 'minimal logistical support' in their mandate with regard to elections. Most of the international community says that they recognise the election because of UN observers, but the actual UN mission in the country have the following stated reason for accepting the validity of the election "The international community has strongly backed the legitimacy of Mr. Ouattara's victory, with the United Nations, the African Union (AU), the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS), the European Union (EU) and others recognizing him as the duly elected leader of Côte d'Ivoire." (http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/missions/unoci/elections.shtml). The subsequent UN resolution 1975 (2011) also states that the validity of the elections is "as recognized by the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS), the African Union and the rest of the international community". It seems to me that if there were international observers who were verifying the election they must have been from the African Union or from ECOWAS or both and that the UN was not serving in this capacity. This means that the link in the BBC article has no bearing on the sentence that it is cited after, and that a proper citation is needed if it is to be claimed that international observers verified the results. 91.64.36.38 (talk) 11:00, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

2010 presidential election: "looping pro-Gbagbo propaganda"...
I'm deleting the sentence (already cit-needed) about Gbagbo's takeover of state television. Looking for a supporting source, all I came across was this AP story referring to CC figures being broadcast "in a continuous loop" on (presumably state-controlled) TV and radio. It's either a highly operatic take on that fact, or a merely POV description of something far more dramatic I can't find. Either way, the article's too important right now for dubious armwaving. Should a better-informed-than-I editor see a hole left in the story, a well-sourced, neutral, factually informative replacement would be great. &bull; Lainagier &bull; talk &bull; 13:35, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

2010 Presidential Election - Conseil Constitionel Invalidation of results
I've taken out the claim that the Conseil Constitutionel (Constitutional Council) invalidated the results from France - it only invalidated the results from the Départements of Korogho, Ferké, Boundiali(Region Savanes), Bouaké, Katiola, Dabakala (Region Vallée du Bandama) and Séguela (Region Worodougou).

They didn't need to invalidate the results from France - at least in the Paris region the election never took place as the ballot papers disappeared from the embassy safe.

Source: http://www.abidjan.net/elections2010/resultats/2emetour/CC.html

HughesJohn (talk) 17:06, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Can anyone add information on how to pronounce his name and which ethnic group it originates in? I guess it has the gb sound from the Igbo language in there, but an expert should confirm this. Just giving the French pronunciation of it is very unsatisfactory. Eoghan (talk) 21:26, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Massacre of Protestors in March
Now, I know we hear about such things all the time, but this comes with a video of the protest in question to back it up. I'm reluctant to post it due to the 'original research' (thing I don't agree with and can't figure out how to express myself without using profanity), so I'm not sure whether 'seeing a video of a massacre along with a news article on a website' is sufficient a source, but I really do think such atrocities MUST be exposed and not left to be supressed by various governments across the world. The video is EXTREMELY graphic, and depicts the womens protests (a series of which were held) resulting in soldiers opening fire into the crowds indescriminately. Could a more wikipedian wiki user than I please do whatever is required to have this (person I don't like)'s page ammended to reflect just what kind of a tyrant he is please? I'd like to think that the six confirmed dead depicted (although I counted several more) didn't die in vain. 60.228.56.223 (talk) 03:26, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Bad wording?
"It was reported that Gbagbo was arrested by French forces in the afternoon of 11 April 2011 in an operation where French forces stormed Gbagbo's residence, with the support of French forces." The storming of the residence by French Forces, with the support of French forces seems a little funny. Thanks, Intheeventofstructuralfailure (talk) 08:04, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Arrest of Gbagbo
Gbagbo was not arrested by French (special) forces, but by Ouattara forces. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.168.43.250 (talk) 16:14, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

This entry concludes by claiming Gbagbo is innocent. This is not worthy of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.5.169.237 (talk) 14:25, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Tense
" Gbagbo is held in...". Is it Wikipedian practice to write in the present tense? Thank you, Intheeventofstructuralfailure (talk) 11:46, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Was he released? 93.80.173.190 (talk) 10:22, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

It seems like someone might be trying to make this article non-neutral
Looking at the edit history, the following list of changes by users seem to be somewhat problematic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/41.191.68.59

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/41.66.10.16

It looks like some of the changes have been reverted, but some still remain.

I lack sufficient knowledge of wikipedia editing protocol to feel comfortable doing anything about this, hopefully it is useful pointing it out, though.

ThomasHoward (talk) 07:39, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

"LAWFUL President of Côte d'Ivoire of ethnic Bété from 2000 until his arrest in April 2011..."
"lawful President of Côte d'Ivoire of ethnic Bété from 2000 until his arrest in April 2011" => He lost the elections in 2010, therefore he can't have been the "lawful" President in April 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.233.58.239 (talk) 16:27, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

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May 2019
Can anyone please explain why Gbagbo's trial has taken so long -- from his arrest in 2011 until dismissal of charges in January 2019. If the ICC always moves so slowly, justice is not served. Was Gbagbo held for several years before a trial began in 2016, then three more years to reach a verdict? I worry that such slow processes will undermine the ICC's credibility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samgmcf (talk • contribs)

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They took so much because they didn't want him around and wanted to silence him. He was the main backer of Gaddafi's plan about a gold-pegged african currency. The currency of Ivory Coast is actually the West African CFA franc who brings tens of billions in revenues to the french state and eases business operations for french private actors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnyharka (talk • contribs) 23:32, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Civil war
First sentences, talking about the violent riots and the discovery of a mass grave lack sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnyharka (talk • contribs) 23:26, 7 April 2020 (UTC)