Talk:Lech Wałęsa/Archives/2020/November

US mispronunciation of name in lead?
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lech_Wa%C5%82%C4%99sa&type=revision&diff=981332037&oldid=981220800 what exactly is the rationale for this? US news TV have been pronouncing Polish names correctly for several years now. Why do we need the mispronunciation in the lead? In ictu oculi (talk) 22:09, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I gave the rationale with the edit: "reinserting English pronunciations w/cites, had been removed without discussion". A little more fully, the rationale is that the pronunciations were removed without discussion, and that we regularly give English pronunciations in the lead where they differ from native pronunciations, especially where we have reliable sources like Merriam-Webster showing that pronunciation. You might consider it a mispronunciation, but it's veriably so. Dohn joe (talk) 17:14, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Not really interested in why you reinserted, more interested in why it was there. Re how Americans pronounce Polish names, honestly that is just your opinion. Merriam-Webster is not a serious dictionary, and it is only descriptive not prescriptive, it describes how American pronounce things. Merriam-Webster is also only descriptive of the USA. It is not a reliable source for English-speakers worldwide.


 * Do we have any active WP:BLP editors and WP:Poland editors who can justify why exactly this is in the lead? In ictu oculi (talk)
 * The current form is correct. We first give the accepted English pronunciation whenever it exists followed by native pronunciation if we know it. See MOS:DUALPRON. — kashmīrī  TALK  00:02, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe that MOS:DUALPRON is long out of date. It cites the Nikita Khrushchev article, but look at it.... In ictu oculi (talk) 09:57, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Nikita Khrushchev is indeed a wrong example because editors there agreed recently to move Russian spelling and pronunciation to the Notes section. But otherwise I see no problem with the current wording of DUALPRON. — kashmīrī  TALK  17:58, 13 November 2020 (UTC)