Talk:Leelah Alcorn

Deadname 2
I think for respect to the mother and the family (ct. from the mother: "My sweet 16-year-old son, Joshua Ryan Alcorn" his original name should be shown at the beginning near the birth date and the other name (as "born as Joshua Ryan Alcorn"). Legally speaking he never changed his name on his documents with his parents consent and he was considered a boy until his death. The fact that someone doesn't like it doesn't change the reality and the original name should be there at the beginning of the page as it is with other categories of people who change names or have nicknames. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.39.220.187 (talk) 17:00, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * We don't do things "out of respect". The sources says that Leelah identified as female and that's what we go by. We're certainly not going to deadname her and use the wrong pronouns because her family couldn't accept her. That's for them to deal with. We only go by what the sources say.  freshacconci  (✉) 18:00, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * See also MOS:GENDERID, our guideline on this subject. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 21:12, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * What sources? 170.39.242.46 (talk) 20:30, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, her suicide note is referenced as a source, so I'm assuming that that would probably be source enough. Most sources would have her identifying as female, any that identify her as male would just most likely be considered less reputable. RaptorGirl97 (talk) 20:51, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Her parents are a big part of the reason she killed herself... they don't deserve any respect in that regard. RaptorGirl97 (talk) 20:43, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * "I think for respect to the mother" Why would we respect an asshole and abusive mother, instead of the dead woman? Dimadick (talk) 11:06, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Deadname 3
I know this has been talked about before, but it appears that her deadname is not shown because she was never known by that name, however, this makes little sense and is not consistent with other Wikipedia articles. For example, Bill Clinton was born William Blythe III, although he was never known by this name nor did he ever call himself 'Blythe' as he assumed the surname Clinton as a baby, his birth name is still rightfully listed on his Wikipedia article. Therefore, I think her deadname should be mentioned, either in her infobox or in the early life passage. —Derpytoucan (talk) 18:07, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The article at present seems to comply with MOS:GENDERID, Wikipedia's guideline on the subject. Do you think it fails to comply with the guideline or that there's an ambiguity here? – Arms & Hearts (talk) 17:51, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It says that she was never known by her birth name, yet her birth name was a pretty notable part of the issue, especially since it is the name her parents used on the controversial media posts. That, plus it would be less confusing for readers to have a uniform standard for articles (even though it isn't necessary). Derpytoucan (talk) 19:32, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The is the guideline linked above, as far as I can tell, which doesn't make any exceptions for cases where the deadname's widely discussed. In this case, given that this article complies with the guideline, it's probably unlikely that it'll be changed to not comply with he MoS. But you're welcome to begin a request for comment. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 17:04, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

"Josh Alcorn" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Josh_Alcorn&redirect=no Josh Alcorn] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Meters (talk) 03:26, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

"Assigned male"
The topic was born a male. 137.118.161.59 (talk) 22:45, 20 June 2023 (UTC)


 * And that doesn't change the article in any way. She was a trans woman. RaptorGirl97 (talk) 21:31, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Citations need tidying up.
There are currently no citations for the introduction and the first citation (on birth date) didn't help to cite the claim. I imagine the citing was better before this article got featured but it's currently a mess. I made an adjustment for now but more claims need citing and the article may have other incorrect citations. Traumnovelle (talk) 11:37, 13 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Per MOS:LEADCITE it is not essential to cite all claims in the lead/introduction. — HTGS (talk) 04:03, 15 January 2024 (UTC)