Talk:Leroy Petry

Religion
Is there any information about his religious affiliation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.188.228.180 (talk) 12:14, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Article by Peerman
I would suggest this be removed as a source - Petry's cousin wrote the piece, so it's really not RS, and he makes at least one factual error; one cannot enlist in the Army "indefinitely", if only because of retirement age. MSJapan (talk) 21:45, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd say it passes muster for an RS on basic biographical details and first hand accounts. If there's a question as to the accuracy of technical issues such as enlistment terms I'd say this source should probably take a second place to others. As long as the Peerman isn't making controversial assertions about Petry there isn't reason to discount his knowledge of him as a person. TomPointTwo (talk) 21:51, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Indefinitely enlisting is a term that we use pretty often in the US Army. At a point in your career as an enlisted Soldier, you have to re-enlist "indefinitely"; until retirement. "The indefinite reenlistment policy requires all soldiers reaching the rank of E-6 with ten years of service to reenlist indefinitely.Their new separation date becomes either the year they are required to leave the service if not promoted or their retirement date,whichever occurs first." http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/2007/RAND_MG553.pdf Hal06 (talk) 21:54, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Actually as someone who is in the actual US Army I can say that you can enlist indefinitely. I hate civilians that don't know what they are talking about.--207.132.184.130 (talk) 15:01, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Enemy
Enemy is not one of the words under Words to watch. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:05, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Unit citations
Per AR 670-1 unit awards are to be worn while the soldier is a member of the unit, but are not permanent to the wearer unless the soldier was assigned to the unit during the time frame which the unit received the award (such as a PUC or MUC). If there are reliable sources that the subject of this article wears any of the unit citations as permanent personal decorations, then it is the opinion of this editor that they should be included in his award list, but not until that time.

Furthermore, please provide references from reliable source(s) when adding additional medals/awards/badges per WP:VER & WP:BURDEN. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 09:36, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I have created a discussion regarding this issue at the MILHIST Wikipedia talk page; all interested editors are invited. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:50, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry I didn't see this section before I made my change to the article. I've commented on the relevant section at MILHIST. TomPointTwo (talk) 19:04, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

None of the Presidential Unit Citations for 2nd Ranger Battalion came during SFC Petry's time of service. All six of the battalion's citations were for WW2 or Vietnam service, as can be found at the Wikipedia entry for the battalion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_Ranger_Battalion_%28United_States%29). The Valorous Unit Awards and Meritorious Unit Commendations were also awarded during Vietnam. They are appropriate for the picture in the article because it is his uniform while assigned to Second Ranger Battalion. This is the problem with merely transferring the awards on someone's uniform picture to a section which is designed for awards and citations personally received by an individual. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.48.109.157 (talk) 03:41, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

I just checked his bio at the US Army website (http://www.army.mil/medalofhonor/petry/profile.html) and it lists him as having received a Valorous Unit Award and also the EIB. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.48.109.157 (talk) 03:52, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Per the above post: http://www.army.mil/medalofhonor/petry/profile.html lists a Valorous Unit Award. Should all other unit awards now be removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbraz (talk • contribs) 19:24, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

There has been no consensus as to wheaher unit citations, not considered permanent wear per AR 670-1, should or should not be included as personal awards of subjects of a military BLP. The archive of that discussion can be seen here that occurred at MILHIST. Therefore, I have re-added the discussion tag here. Per WP:BRD please do not re-revert and please continue the discussion that I have now restarted.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:48, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Potential applicable orders
Here are two potential applicable permanent orders which may apply to the subject if the article, that is if the subject was part of these companies during the period described in the permanent orders: --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:22, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Permanent Order 061-05 for a Valorous Unit Award for the day of 14 June 2005
 * Permanent Order 061-06 for a Valorous Unit Award for the period of 28 June 2005 to 12 July 2005

Joint Service Achievement Medal
Image previously provided as reference does not clearly show that the subject of this article has been awarded the Joint Service Achievement Medal. Is there a text reference from a reliable source that indicates that the subject of this article was awarded the aforementioned medal? That being said the reference photo here shows him wearing the corresponding ribbon, but I have not found other text based references saying that the subject has been awarded the medal. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:39, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

I have notified outside interested editors regarding this issue at the MILHIST Wikipedia talk page. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:52, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd say that unless the veracity of Petry's uniform is in question that picture would qulify as a primary source for the purpose of identifying the what awards and ribbons he has earned. I'll reflect such at MILHIST as well. I'd also speculate that, for ease of use, most of this can be resolved here without having to seed discussions in more than one place. TomPointTwo (talk) 19:07, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Seeing as how we have two competing reliable source references, one showing he is wearing it, one not stating he was awarded it; I say for now leave it out per WP:BURDEN, unless there is consensus to add it or additional reliable sources indicate the awarding of the medal of question (specifically text based). --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:29, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll continue this discussion at MILHIST, exclusively, barring substantially third party interest here. TomPointTwo (talk) 19:36, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * WILCO, will do the same. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:49, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

As no consensus was reached at MILHIST and the discussion has been archived the content shall be tagged until I hear back from the army for my request for information that I sent (see the archived discussion regarding that). --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:37, 10 August 2011 (UTC) I received mail on the 20th of August stating the following (my name being redacted): "Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE

Dear Mr. XXXX, Thank you for your inquiry (#2011-1209). In response to your request of 2 August 2011 regarding SFC Petry’s wearing of the Joint Service Achievement Award, I regret that the U.S. Army Military History Institute does not have personnel records nor can we make determinations as to award eligibility. To find out the reason behind this discrepancy, I would suggest contacting the Army’s Public Affairs Office. Contact information is below: U.S. Army Public Affairs Community Relations Division Office of the Chief of Public Affairs 1500 Army Pentagon Washington, DC 20310-1500 I am sorry that the institute could not be of greater assistance to you. Sincerely, Mr. Shannon S. Schwaller Technical Information Specialist Military History Institute U.S. Army Heritage and Education Center Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE"

At this time, the question goes officially unanswered by the Pentagon, and antiquated snail mail will bed to be used. I will let interested editors know when a response is reached through those means. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 02:46, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Does anybody here really believe that Petry would have presented himself to the President to receive the MoH, representing the U.S. Army and his whole country, wearing the ribbon of a personal award that he did not receive? Also, RightCowLeftCoast, I would ask you kindly to speak of Mr. Petry as a "person" and not a "subject". Thank you! claudevsq (talk) 17:11, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I have reverted the removal of the discussion tag as the issue remains unresolved. This discussion is not an attempt to cast negative persuasions upon SFC Petry, but to abide by WP:VER & WP:TRUTH, as two different references contradict and no census was reached in the archived discussion linked higher in this section. Per WP:BRD please do not re-remove the discussion tag, and discuss this issue here.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:57, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Restructure the table
If everyonen is ok with it I would like to clean up the table and restructure it like the one on the Ross A. McGinnis article. I would also like to take the images of the ribbons and unit out of the infobox. We can leave the county, service and even the rank if we have to but I think the infobox looks very cluttered with all the images. --Kumioko (talk) 17:19, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * In the infobox, country, service, and rank should be sufficient. Award ribbons are not necessary, as there is already an awards section. Within the awards section, we can break up individual awards, from service and campaign medals, but IMHO that is not necessary. If we need to place the table in a collapsed format, we can do that too.
 * Questions regarding Unit Citations and the JSAM should continue to be discussed in a central location, as is presently done on MILHIST, and the awards tagged as is now the case.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:38, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Thermobaric Grenade
The Medal of Honor action section mentions that the subject threw a thermobaric grenade. Neither cited source mention specifically a thermobaric weapon. I believe that this should be edited unless we have proof of this action. I dont believe that we have proof of this type of weapon being deployed as a "hand" grenade just as rumors of a 40mm weapon delivered grenade.

Should we talk more or should the edit be made? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bamm314 (talk • contribs) 04:54, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * There is this, which mentions that "Petry threw a thermobaric grenade in the vicinity of the enemy position." - SudoGhost 04:57, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, the one of the references in the article supporting the "thermobaric grenade" sentence does mention it, although the LA Times one does not. - SudoGhost 05:00, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you SudoGhost. I wish we had more information on the specific weapon but thank you for pointing out my misread and giving another source.

Bamm314 (talk) 05:33, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

IP edits
I have reverted two edits by an IP editor per WP:BURDEN, individual made the following changes, neither supported by a reliable source. The reliable source labelled "lcsn20110604" does not support that he has been divorced, and until a a reliable source can be found to verify a change in content, the content should remain unchanged. I will warn the IP of the need for reliable sources.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:19, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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Awards and decorations - table help
I updated some of the device names for uniformity (ie to match other award and decoration tables I've seen), but I am a new user so I am not sure how to adjust the column width and center the text; if someone can assist with that (or describe how to further my education), I'd appreciate it! Doghouse09 (talk) 20:09, 17 May 2020 (UTC)