Talk:Lhoba people

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In the history section, should "Cathoilism" be "Catholicism"? I don't know much about the Lhoba or Asian history in general, so I don't want to change it.

"related groups" info removed from infobox
For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all Infobox Ethnic group infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 20:57, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the Neutral Dispute Sign because the person who put the sign there didn't explain on the discussion page why he or she put it there.Lie-Hap-Po (talk) 16:17, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Idu Mishmis in Arunachal Pradesh
I heard that Arunachal Pradesh has quite a bit of Idu Mishmis. --KRajaratnam1 (talk) 17:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Obscure origin of the term "Lhoba"
The article begins by saying "Lhoba (Chinese: 珞巴) is a term of obscure (though probably Tibetan)". Is it really obscure? If it's lho-pa, then that means "southerners" in Tibetan. They live south of Tibet. It seems pretty straightforward.&mdash;Greg Pandatshang (talk) 23:28, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Misspelling in Tibetan text
I've changed the name "Lho-yul" towards the bottom of the article to its proper spelling in Tibetan, ལྷོ༌ཡུལ་, which was mis-rendered as ལྷོ་རྗོང་ (lho-rjong).

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Acc to Hudson
, Hudson sounds like he knows what he is talking about in this paragraph:

And the date of the writeup, 1962, is interesting. DTM (talk) 12:08, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Not really. The original Tibetan term was "Lopa"  which meant literally "barbarian". The term was applied to all the tribes of Assam Himalaya (some of which is on the Tibetan side). When the tribesmen figured out how they were being perceived, they changed it to "Lhopa" . The pa-ba variation in pronunciation is fairly common, and it looks like the Chinese prefer ba. The Chinese characters also change it luo-ba. (I presume the don't have a way to write lo.) I will dig out the sources for all this.
 * And, now you also know where Lowa/Luowa comes from!
 * As for Hudson, yes, he was the editor of Far-Eastern Papers published by the St. Antony's College of Oxford. He is quite knowledgeable about the India-China interface. He is absolutely spot-on about the independent-ness of the tribesmen. You should also see the horse's mouth:
 * -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:33, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, the McMahon Line was a true "colonial line", i.e., big men sitting in board rooms and drawing lines on maps for countries that nobody owned. (Africa is full of such lines.) Influence was extended after the lines were decided. This was entirely normal clonial practice. The Chinese idea that they had "owned" it is just wild imagination.
 * However, if you look at all the evidence impartially, the tribes had more connections to Assam than they did to Tibet, mainly because Assam provided a far bigger market for their produce. Sedentary societies surrounded by wild tribes is a commonplace phenomenon in South Asia. (For example, Hampi Vijayanagara was ransacked by exactly such tribes, after the capital fell to the Bahmani Sultanate and was left defence-less.) Tibet did influence some religious and cultural influence in some border areas, e.g., Migyitun (Lo Mikyimdun), but such places weren't many. That is precisely why Tibet agreed to give up any claim to NEFA. The border was truly negotiated. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:54, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * However, if you look at all the evidence impartially, the tribes had more connections to Assam than they did to Tibet, mainly because Assam provided a far bigger market for their produce. Sedentary societies surrounded by wild tribes is a commonplace phenomenon in South Asia. (For example, Hampi Vijayanagara was ransacked by exactly such tribes, after the capital fell to the Bahmani Sultanate and was left defence-less.) Tibet did influence some religious and cultural influence in some border areas, e.g., Migyitun (Lo Mikyimdun), but such places weren't many. That is precisely why Tibet agreed to give up any claim to NEFA. The border was truly negotiated. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:54, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * However, if you look at all the evidence impartially, the tribes had more connections to Assam than they did to Tibet, mainly because Assam provided a far bigger market for their produce. Sedentary societies surrounded by wild tribes is a commonplace phenomenon in South Asia. (For example, Hampi Vijayanagara was ransacked by exactly such tribes, after the capital fell to the Bahmani Sultanate and was left defence-less.) Tibet did influence some religious and cultural influence in some border areas, e.g., Migyitun (Lo Mikyimdun), but such places weren't many. That is precisely why Tibet agreed to give up any claim to NEFA. The border was truly negotiated. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:54, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Reference 10
Reference 10 does not mention "miniscule" even though it is scare-quoted in the article. I'm not sure if this is from some Chinese government source and translated, but the scare quotes should obviously be sourced. 73.82.6.199 (talk) 15:38, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Rationale
Terminology: "Lhoba" is an exonym used to refer to the same group of people who identify themselves as "Tani." The use of endonyms is preferred for accuracy and cultural respect. Content Overlap: The information about the Lhoba people can be seamlessly integrated into the Tani People article. Both articles cover similar cultural, linguistic, and historical aspects.

Article Size and Weighting: Merging will not cause any issues with article size or weighting. It will streamline content, making it more comprehensive and easier to navigate for readers. Proposed Integration: Introduction: Briefly explain the terminology, noting that "Lhoba" is an exonym while "Tani" is the endonym. History and Culture: Combine sections to provide a unified account of the Tani people's history and cultural practices. Linguistic Aspects: Consolidate linguistic information, highlighting the various languages and dialects spoken within the Tani group. Flyingphoenixchips (talk) 20:41, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * "Lhoba" is a term used in Tibet/China. It is not used in India. So, I don't think it can be identified with any other term or ethnicity in India. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * But it still refers to the same group. Lhoba as a term is used by the chinese to refer to tani communities in china. Like indians call themselves bhartiya among themselves and indian outside. So my proposal is to merge the Lhoba people page within Tani people, since it doesn't make sense to have two separate pages for the same group. Even Naga people page, for myanmar and indian naga are the same Flyingphoenixchips (talk) 03:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Lhoba as a term is also used by monyuls and Na tanis to refer themselves in the state of arunachal, but yes the term Lhoba/Luoba are derived from tibetan and mandarin respectively. Flyingphoenixchips (talk) 03:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This page should be the one that should be merged with the Tani people page since the term, Tani is an endonym, and it would make sense to include the page title after an endonym. All exonyms can be mentioned separately in this page itself, and any searches with Lhoba or any other exonym can be redirected towards this page. Even in India, there are multiple exonyms for the Tani community such as Hill Miri, Abor, Dapla, etc similar to the term Lhoba, which is the exonym used in china. Flyingphoenixchips (talk) 03:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)