Talk:Liberland

The island
Does Liberland make official claim to the island? 2007GabrielT (talk) 14:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * The organization that calls itself "Liberland" claims the island, but they do not control the island, and I do not know of any recognized organization or agency where they could register the claim. "Official" is meaningless in those circumstances. Donald Albury 15:29, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the recently revived Template:Infobox micronation
I have noticed that Infobox micronation has been revived recently by User:Ahecht. It seems like it's being used in some places, for example the articles Sealand and Ladonia which I've mentioned earlier, in the discussions where I've talked about treating the micronation topic equally no matter what entity is being described (if notable enough, of course).

The newly revived template could be seen as distinct enough from the one that caused the previous controversy: the Infobox nation template that had a simple "micronation=yes" parameter at the top. Can an infobox now finally be included to summarize this article, or is there still something unresolved from the earlier debate? Is there a reason to treat this particular case differently? - Anonimski (talk) 17:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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 * I feel like it would be the natural result to apply the infobox to the article. Miffedpenguin (talk) 09:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think it will be a good idea, as it gives the suggestion that you are talking about a valid, recognized country instead of a personal hobby. The Banner  talk 09:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's a different template now. And there are infoboxes for all kinds of things, for example Template:Infobox sports team. Anyway, I will not be pushing this thing further, I'm just suggesting it since I've edited this article several times in the past and it's been a long-term habit to maintain it every now and then. I've gotten tired of both sides in this dispute, both the "death by a thousand cuts" to unusual and odd topics, and those that try to do various tricks to push the Liberland side's agenda/viewpoint beyond what's normally acceptable on Wikipedia (and I see for example that the user agreeing with me hasn't made any other Wikipedia contribution, than the post in this discussion). - Anonimski (talk) 16:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I support adding an infobox here, as well as in the other articles. The problem that micronational articles look like valid, recognized countries was solved by separating the two kinds of infoboxes. That solution entails making sure that Template:Infobox micronation is worded so as to avoid that sort of confusion and using that infobox in articles like this. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @The Banner See Village pump (policy)/Archive 191. There is community consensus for a micronation info box that doesn't resemble infobox country, which is what the revived infobox micronation is. --Ahecht ([[User talk:Ahecht|TALK

Sursum Capita II
A couple of months ago, I saw GR Kaml's rewrite proposal of the article. It was sad to see it devolve into a shouting match between two sides with varying opinions on micronations before petering out, and I wondered if someone could remove some controversial bits and formally change the article into the version listed above. The recent Times article seems like an excellent opportunity to remove several questionable and biased sources (including total-croatia-news, which seems absolutely biased towards Liberland), and complete the Sursum Capita. Miffedpenguin (talk) 03:05, 16 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I thought about making a similar suggestion, though I've been holding off in the hope that GR Kaml reappears. We don't actually need their permission to use the draft, but it would certainly be preferable to get their input. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:47, 16 June 2024 (UTC)