Talk:Lillian Copeland

Discrepancy of accounts
One thing I have discovered is a radical difference between the way Jewish-related sources describe her career and the way the USATF does. I've looked at world progression tables in discus world records from several sources, and can find no evidence that Copeland set WRs in any event but the javelin throw. This would appear to back up the USATF site. However, one little clue as to the IJSHF's claim is that she apparently broke a world record in discus in 1928 with at least one of her throws in the Olympic competition. Since she didn't win the 1928 Games, it must be assumed that her competitor ultimately topped whatever record she had during an earlier round of throwing. So is it possible that the Jewish sites are counting in-competition world records as actual world records? Do these count as world records? I know in swimming that if you get a WR in a qualifying heat, it's still a WR, however briefly it's held. Does the same apply to track and field? Or is it considered too laborious to do anything but count the highest-ever mark posted at a particular competition?  Czech Out  ☎ |  ✍  05:57, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * There are several reasons for the radical discrepancy. These almost certainly include plain old exaggeration and/or human error; but Copeland did have quite a few marks in the shot, discus and javelin that you could claim were world records if you looked at them from the right angle. A couple of them legitimately broke the previous world record, but went unratified; some of them were marks that exceeded the official old world record but were inferior to a still-pending and subsequently ratified earlier mark by somebody else (this happened a lot in those days); some of them were marks with non-standard implements like the 8 lb shot (the international shot weighs 4 kg) or the $2 3/4$ lb discus (the international discus weighs 1 kg) that were only used in America. I'm not sure exactly how high her tally would be if you counted all of those as real world records, but it would be a lot higher than 1. Sideways713 (talk) 12:41, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

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Contributing Information Under Heading "The 1936 Olympics"
Hey There. My name is Summer and I will be contributing to the Wikipedia page on Lillian Copeland. Specifically, I intend to add valuable information under the heading of “The 1936 Olympics”. My information will come from a secondary source titled “Lillian Copeland Speaks out on the Olympics: Los Angeles 1932, Berlin 1936”. This source is reliable because author Paul Soifer received his PhD and the source comes from Southern California Quarterly, a scholarly peer-reviewed journal. I believe the current Wikipedia article does not contain enough information related to Copeland’s involvement in the athlete boycott that acquired national attention in the late summer of 1935. As a result, I will use the secondary source by Paul Soifer to contribute to the topic of the 1936 Berlin Olympics Boycott and specifically, where Lillian Copeland stood on the issue. I will add more specific information such as her argument to the issue and her involvement in attending committee meetings to plan for the boycott. I will also discuss some of Copeland’s alternative ideas, such as where she suggested the Olympics should occur in place of the locating being in Germany. As of now, I do not plan on deleting any information from the Wikipedia page. I will solely be contributing to the article. If anyone wants to comment on these pages, please let me know on this Talk Page or on my Talk Page. Thank you. ~ Ssolomon2023 (talk) 17:00, 29 April 2023 (UTC)