Talk:Lincoln Tunnel/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: AmericanAir88 (talk · contribs) 18:47, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Will start over the weekend. AmericanAir88 (talk) 18:47, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

AmericanAir88 (talk) 21:11, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Issues

 * "An integral conduit within the New York metropolitan area, it was designed by Norwegian-born civil engineer Ole Singstad and named after U.S. President Abraham Lincoln."
 * Rework that sentence. "Integral conduit" is a very confusing phrase.


 * "The Lincoln Tunnel underwent a series of gradual improvements in following decades."
 * Elaborate more or if its too detailed to get into-remove it.
 * ✅. I did not elaborate too much as it's supposed to only be a summary.


 * Talk about cashless tolling in the intro and make the statement about east bound toll into its own sentence.
 * ✅ the second point. I don't think the first point is necessary as it's not an essential part of the article.
 * "Although the three portals are side by side in New Jersey, in New York City the north tube portal is near Eleventh Avenue between 38th and 39th Streets."
 * Could use some reworking


 * Update the article so instead of "tollbooth" it is "tolls"
 * It is still technically correct that these are tollbooths. The Port Authority hasn't replaced the tollbooths here with electronic tolling. epicgenius (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * "Westbound traffic does not pay a toll, and so the westbound portion of the toll plaza does not have tollbooths"
 * Rework this sentence and also do what the issue above says to do
 * Rework this sentence and also do what the issue above says to do


 * "In Manhattan, Dyer Avenue and the Lincoln Tunnel Expressway serve as the primary egress roadways for the Lincoln Tunnel"
 * Add better punctuation/grammar and find a better word than "egress"


 * The first paragraph of "Manhattan approaches" needs to be more fluent and less choppy.
 * "This is marked as the last exit in New York."
 * Please add the Exit number
 * ❌. This exit is not numbered so I can't add an exit number. epicgenius (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Please add the Exit number
 * ❌. This exit is not numbered so I can't add an exit number. epicgenius (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)


 * "The tube's Manhattan entrance would be located anywhere between 23rd and 42nd Streets, while the New Jersey entrance might be located between Hoboken and Weehawken."
 * Elaborate more and find better words than "might be"
 * ✅, found better words.


 * "The preliminary plans included a "mixing plaza", where traffic from the Midtown Hudson Tunnel would interchange with traffic from the tunnel to Queens."
 * Elaborate more


 * "The tube was to be bored using the shield-tunneling method, and shields would proceed from both sides at the same time, although the shield on the New York side would pass through a caisson for the tunnel."
 * Fix up and expand


 * "These buildings, located in the neighborhood of Hell's Kitchen, were seen as either "insanitary and dangerous" or "likely to become so"."
 * Elaborate more on this. More info on the buildings being destroyed makes interesting facts. Also don't let quotes be the creators of the sentence.
 * I left out details about the building because this isn't really an article about the buildings, but in any case, I reworded. epicgenius (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)


 * " The reporter L.H. Robbins wrote a descriptive account of the construction work, calling the tunnel shield a "Steel Hercules", the sandhogs "ox-strong, rough-clad", and the tunnel itself akin to "a bit of the realm of Tartarus".
 * Clean this sentence up a bit. It is very choppy.


 * "The tunneling work posed some danger: a dynamite accident in April 1935 killed three sandhogs."
 * Any more information on this?
 * I don't think this necessarily needs more information. I just mentioned that people died during construction because of a tunneling accident. epicgenius (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)


 * "Bids for installing electrical ducts were let in August 1936."
 * Expand more
 * I simply removed this information since it wasn't important. epicgenius (talk) 23:46, 3 June 2018 (UTC)


 * "Different toll rates applied to tractor-trailers and motorcycles; pedestrians, animals, and bicyclists were prohibited from using the tunnel."
 * Split these and elaborate more on both.

*"A groundbreaking ceremony for the third tube was held the next month at the Manhattan side's future ventilation shaft, and sandhogs began digging the tunnel from that end."
 * Is this a pun? If not explain what was so "groundbreaking"
 * This is not a pun. A groundbreaking ceremony is common practice at construction. It is mostly self-explanatory - a ceremony where the first official construction work is performed on a project. Anyhow, I explained it. epicgenius (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

*I-495 also applies to the Brooklyn-battery tunnel, not just the LIE. *Isn't "Cashless" tolling now at the Lincoln Tunnel? If it is then change cash to "pay by plate". Also mention cashless in the Toll section.
 * No, the Battery Tunnel is Interstate 478. I-495 is only the LIE, which starts at the QMT. epicgenius (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * No, as I explained above. Cashless tolling is only at Bayonne Bridge and the MTA Bridges and Tunnels. Lincoln Tunnel is a Port Authority project. You still pay cash or E-ZPass (and E-ZPass on its own is not notable enough for a mention in the lead). epicgenius (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Would an "In popular culture" section work?
 * I know of a couple movies and TV shows with the Lincoln tunnel
 * I'll get back to you on that. Any addition should be compliant with WP:POPCULTURE, it must be both important and reliably sourced. epicgenius (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

*Shouldn't the Holland Tunnel be in "See also"? It is very similar and does the same route.
 * No, per WP:SEEALSO. Links that are already in the article shouldn't get mentioned in a see-also section. As it is, the Holland Tunnel is mentioned in the lead. epicgenius (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

I feel the only notable "In popular culture" candidate would be the movie "Daylight". I guess the idea of its own section is not adequate. Do you think the mention of daylight should be in the article? AmericanAir88 (talk) 00:14, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. I think the popular culture section, if there is any, should only include entries for which the Lincoln Tunnel was a key feature, otherwise the list would grow to unencyclopedic proportions (e.g. Empire State Building in popular culture, Central Park in popular culture). epicgenius (talk) 00:17, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

The Lincoln Tunnel is not present as a key feature very much. The only notable appearance that I know of is "Daylight". Should a mention of daylight appear in the article? AmericanAir88 (talk) 00:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I think that was the Holland Tunnel, not the Lincoln Tunnel. I didn't find anything about the Lincoln being in Daylight.

My mistake!.

Pass
Congratulations on Passing. You have done excellent work on this article and I really admire your dedication. You are a pleasure to work with and an important attribute to Wikipedia. Me (A New York commuter to an office every day) have learned so much from you AmericanAir88 (talk) 00:46, 4 June 2018 (UTC)