Talk:Linguistic discrimination

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Good work. Nice to see such great pages here. --Bhadani (talk) 18:34, 28 June 2008 (UTC) should the Quebec language law and the issues francophones historically had in Canada here? Tydoni (talk) 04:40, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

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"Written language only" is viable option for deaf or HoH who cannot or do not want to sign or read lips. I am legally deaf (severe hyperacusis). Officials coming to my residence ignored door sign requesting written language only. I cannot understand otherwise. I insist that officials coming on official business use written language not oral language. The defense attorney tried to force us to have an "oral" argument and I objected. The judge ruled that in order for us to be on "equal footing" we would have 100% written language, because I indicated that is a primary language pursuant to 42 USC §12182(b) (2) (A) (iii). The US Department of Justice has litigated this issue in the context of ASL and native languages, not written languages. See language litigation for my work on this topic. -- Abby Jo Ovitsky --98.246.178.146 (talk) 04:36, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Merge from Linguicism
Plain fork/merge issue. -Stevertigo (t | log | |c) 21:56, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I think it should merge in the opposite way.--Rainbowofpeace (talk) 00:33, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Definitely bring 'Linguicism' into the Linguistic discrimination page. The 'Linguicism' page was created simply to have a new matching "ism" word for presentation purposes in the discrimination template. Bucoli (talk) 15:12, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Basque NOT prohibited under Franco
It is totally false that Basque, Catalan and Galician were prohibited in Spain under Franco. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.158.129.9 (talk) 22:29, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a source link? DGranados0809 (talk) 00:41, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Oralism: Missing Content
There is a heavy focus on the linguistic discrimination against users of spoken languages, while the linguistic discrimination against d/Deaf and Hard of Hearing people who use sign languages seems to be underrepresented. The belief that spoken languages are superior to sign languages has dominated society for years, resulting in the isolation and language deprivation of numerous d/Deaf and Hard of Hearing individuals. For years, doctors discouraged parents from allowing their deaf kids to learn American Sign Language. Schools for the Deaf, in addition, banned the use of American Sign Language in favor of oralism. Forced to speak and read lips at home and at school, young d/Deaf and Hard of Hearing children faced communication barriers, unable to fully understand others and unable to fully express themselves. American Sign Language was not recognized as a true, complete language until the 1960's, and today, there is still debate among high schools and colleges as to whether it should count for foreign language credit. The effects of linguistic discrimination on the education and livelihood of d/Deaf and Hard of Hearing people should be sufficiently explained. --Cykresge (talk) 19:57, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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Expanding on examples in non-western countries
I am interested in editing this article as part of a class I'm taking on poverty, justice and human capabilities. I have noticed that there is significantly more discussion about Canadian, American and European examples of linguistic discrimination, and so am thinking about expanding on the examples of linguistic discrimination in non-western countries, including previously colonized countries such as Nigeria, and linguistically diverse countries such as India. Please let me know what you think! Emmaaa00 (talk) 07:30, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Expanding on examples in non-western countries
I'll be working on editing this article as part of a class I'm taking on poverty, justice and human capabilities. As mentioned above, I have noticed that there is significantly more discussion about Canadian, American and European examples of linguistic discrimination, and so am thinking about exploring examples of linguistic discrimination in non-western countries. More specifically, I'm interested in the relationship between colonization and linguistic discrimination, and am hoping to explore the impacts of these factors on class, education and governance in "post-colonial" societies. I've posted on a more detailed proposal on my talk page. Please let me know what you think! Emmaaa00 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:16, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Emmaaa00! I was hoping to read more about the impact of the French occupation of Algeria on literacy there, based on the information you added to the Linguistic Discrimination in Education section. I checked the original source that you cited ("Linguistic Imperialism", The Routledge Handbook of Applied Linguistics) and the information doesn't seem to come from that article. I thought that perhaps it was in a different chapter, but a full-text search of the entire Routledge Handbook makes no mention at all of Algeria. My assumption is that this was just a copy-paste error, that you actually have some other source for the data - a source which I'd love to peruse, as I'm doing some separate research on this topic. Would you mind correcting the citation so it points to the source of your data? (or, who knows, perhaps I'm the one who's looking at the wrong thing). Thanks! AsleepAtTheMeal (talk) 01:27, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Linguistic discrimination and colonization
I'm currently working on adding a new section on the impacts of colonization on linguistic discrimination throughout the world, and have a draft of a possible section in my Sandbox. Let me know what you think! —Preceding undated comment added 02:53, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Peer review
Hi Emma! I was really impressed by how comprehensive and well-written your contributions were. Your expansion of non-Western examples of linguistic discrimination greatly enhanced the article's coverage of the subject. The contributions that demonstrated its relationship with colonialism was also thorough and helpful to better understand the subject. I think one way to improve the article would be to rely less on using direct quotations from the sources you cited. These can improve the readability of the article by replacing quotations with more direct summary. I also think if you wanted, you could shorten some of the titles of your sections and subsections. Your current titles provide a lot of specificity, which is helpful. However, they are also quite long, which also distorts the flow of the article a bit. Adding some more images can also enhance the article, especially for visual learners. Overall, great job on the article! Amymu123 (talk) 04:32, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Deletion edits
Why are my edits rolled back? I at least leave links. There were simply unfounded accusations from the category of "evil Russian fascists infringing on oppressed national minorities." In Russia there are national republics in which all national minorities have privileges and even dominate the Russians in these republics. Russians in Ukraine cannot even dream of such a thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Александр Ашкаров (talk • contribs) 06:06, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , I have no opinion on whether your version, or 's version is better, but for the time being, I've restored the original sourced content until IP 74 joins the discussion, and consensus can be determined. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 08:48, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The original page version did not have their edit. Please revert back to the original version of the page until consensus is reached about the content recently added. 74.101.190.2 (talk) 14:26, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * You had deleted content unexplained and added content from RIA news, a Russian State-Funded news source that seems questionable if it is wikipedia RS. I would question the BBC too if it was the lone source. On 19 June 2018, the Russian State Duma adopted a bill that made education in all languages but Russian optional, overruling previous laws by ethnic autonomies, and reducing instruction in minority languages to only two hours a week. This bill has been connected by some commentators, such as in Foreign Affairs to a policy of Russification. Claiming it is a conspiracy to deem Russian as fascists is a poor argument. Accusations are towards the government. 74.101.190.2 (talk) 12:41, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It's funny that you accused RIA news of being sponsored by the state, although you left a link to Deutsche Welle, which is also openly sponsored by the state. You also left a link to Foreign Affairs, which belongs to the Council on Foreign Relations, which in turn actively cooperates with the US government. I can go on ad infinitum, but I think you get the point. The fact that languages ​​of national minorities are no longer mandatory does not mean that their study is prohibited. Previously, in the schools of national republics, all children (including Russians) had to learn the languages ​​of national minorities. This is not discrimination in your opinion? Of course, I understand that it is difficult for a Westerner to understand this, but the USSR and the Russian Federation are essentially anti-empires, which, at the expense of the resources of their largest people (Russians), provide national minorities with all kinds of benefits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Александр Ашкаров (talk • contribs) 15:48, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Deuth Wells is heavily regulated to prevent Government influences and Foreign Affairs is not state owned. Just being Western media is not automatically bad just like just being Russian medi ais not automatically bad. State sponsored does need further looking into. funny that you ignore me acknowledging state sponsored sources but not my point that having just one source is problematic. The are multiple different sources from different parts of the world discussing the issue for minority languages. If there were more than one source for your addition it would seem more solid. Do you have some additional sources you can add? The more diverse the better. I will try to help you look into Russian language treatment in Ukraine any any articles that can better support it. But don’t just delete things without even saying in the edits otherwise it comes across as bad intent. As was the issue in other articles where you had deleted sourced content. 74.101.190.2 (talk) 16:50, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , If I missed the previous state of the article wrt this dispute, I will undo my revert. Can you please provide me a diff link to the point you believe applies? Please keep discussing the content dispute in the meawhile, and/or try to interest other editors to join in; as I noted previously, I only wish to avoid edit warring and promote consensus; I don't wish to take sides here. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 21:04, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Basically undoing your revert would bring it back to either me or the other editors conflicting edit. I don’t want to undo everyone else’s edits. 74.101.190.2 (talk) 22:35, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

France

 * Loi Mollac:
 * May 24th 2021: https://www.connexionfrance.com/Mag/Language/French-accent-discrimination-law-is-politically-and-symbolically-historic-says-Director-of-Brittany-s-Office-Public-de-la-Langue-Bretonne-Fulup-Jakez

Demonstrations in France in support of minority languages on Saturday May 29th 2021:
 * According to RFI  : hundreds of demonstrators:  https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20210529-hundreds-take-to-the-streets-to-protest-in-support-of-french-regional-languages-occitan-catalan
 * According to local state channel : thousands in Brittany: https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/bretagne/cotes-d-armor/guingamp/langues-regionales-10-000-manifestants-pour-defendre-l-enseignement-immersif-2111863.html

Bianchi-Bihan (talk) 08:24, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * June 2021 : French MP's want the French constitution modified to allow a status for indigenous "regional" languages:
 * https://www.ouest-france.fr/regions/langues-regionales-cent-quarante-parlementaires-demandent-une-revision-constitutionnelle-6765ef64-ce05-11eb-be9c-3813e0f99c01?fbclid=IwAR2ME3P8DOl2bIQZt54hBQU9duk2RgZReS6dyn-ENj58lzZ0F1FPg0pbeNQ

ASL section is utterly biased and conspiratorial
Entire section is full of generalizing, conspiratorial claims and anti-medicine bias, but the paragraph below in particular. Which is of no surprise when knowing about a streak within the deaf community which is more concerned about preserving its "culture" than with the quality of life of both its members and deaf people without any desire to be a part of said "culture". Especially the children, whose hearing parents are presented as, at best, uncultured and gullible rubes, falling for doctors' tricks and at worst co-conspirators in a "genocide". But seriously, if someone is using terms like "genocide" when speaking of a prosthesis - that is not an issue with the prosthesis, that is an issue with speaker's issues. Reading the text below one would think that there is a "doctors' plot" against the deaf people, ASL and the "benefits of ... the Deaf Community".

''In the medical community, there is immense bias against deafness and ASL. This stems from the belief that spoken languages are superior to sign languages.[55] Because 90% of deaf babies are born to hearing parents, who are usually unaware of the existence of the Deaf Community, they often turn to the medical community for guidance.[56] Medical and audiological professionals, who are typically biased against sign languages, encourage parents to get a cochlear implant for their deaf child in order for the child to use spoken language.[55] Research shows, however, that deaf kids without cochlear implants acquire ASL with much greater ease than deaf kids with cochlear implants acquire spoken English. In addition, medical professionals discourage parents from teaching ASL to their deaf kid to avoid compromising their English[57] although research shows that learning ASL does not interfere with a child's ability to learn English. In fact, the early acquisition of ASL proves to be useful to the child in learning English later on. When making a decision about cochlear implantation, parents are not properly educated about the benefits of ASL or the Deaf Community.[56] This is seen by many members of the Deaf Community as cultural and linguistic genocide.[57]'' 109.175.104.232 (talk) 07:25, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Many with no citations
Is French descriminated against in Quebec? There's no citations on many examples in this article, as someone who has never been to Canada, or most places in the article, I wonder could promotion of political parties or movement be the only reason these are here? 188.30.27.246 (talk) 09:01, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Adding a new sub-topic
I am interested in doing a sub-page about linguistic discrimination in America for my class. This page, I believe, will cover some linguistic discrimination, such Spanish-English tension and Asian languages tensions. I will also probably add the history and reasons of how these institutions evolved. I would also like to introduce how different dialects in the US are confronting with each other. HRSun04 (talk) 02:15, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Poverty, Justice, and Human Capabilities
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Adding to the page
Above I said I would make changes to this article.

User:HRSun04/sandbox

This will be my sandbox, where I write content that I would want to add to this page. HRSun04 (talk) 02:53, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Progress
Hello everyone, I have created a new sand box where I put my edits. If you are interested, you are very welcome to check my page and leave a comment there. Thank you!

User:HRSun04//New sandbox HRSun04 (talk) 03:08, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Modification done
Ok. I have made several changes to the page. Welcome to check my work and give me any advices or edit directly! HRSun04 (talk) 03:41, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Peer Review Thoughts
HRSun04, I appreciate your contributions to this article. I was impressed with your ability to add to such a range of topics. You also added missing information to important central ideas. Some suggestions to improve your edits would be adding more credible, relevant sources. There seemed to be a couple statements made that did not cite a reference. Another thing that would be beneficial to focus on would be grammar and sentence structure. The most important thing to work on would be to make sure all your edits have a neutral tone with credible references. Overall, you are working in the right direction and I look forward to seeing how your work progresses! Miele17 (talk) 04:59, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Review
HRSun04, I think your edits have expanded the article with relevant information. Your work has added more context to the article and extended the awareness for people groups that are affected by linguistic discrimination. I would look into adding more credible, scholarly sources and making sure all your additions are cited. I would also urge you to revise the structure of the article to make it flow better. Also, proofreading grammar, and spelling, and maintaining a neutral tone are something you should look out for as you edit this article. Overall, you have done a lot of work and I look forward to seeing how you refresh that work. Amraamir9 (talk) 20:35, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

This section is very difficult to read
This section is very difficult to understand. Could someone rephrase the second paragraph? JustSomeGuy4361 (talk) 20:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)