Talk:Lionel Tate

Felony Murder
Please make sure you actually *understand* the felony murder rules used against Tate before editing that section. Under these rules Tate was convicted without the prosecution having to prove that he intended to kill or injure, or realized that his acts are likely to kill or injure, or even that a typical child of his age would or should realize this.

Please do not censor these facts. If you find them difficult to believe, educate yourself -- you can start with some of the references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shores of bohemia (talk • contribs) 04:12, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Yep, I agree. That guy completely confused me KING GRIM LOL YO WHATS UP (talk) 07:25, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Pro wrestling Defense
Why no mention of the fact of his defense was thrown out? Or that it turned out later to have been basically invented by Tate's attorney or any of the aftermath involving WWE settling with the PTC for three million dollars regarding what was said in a video that the PTC sent to WWE's advertisers that was produced by them and included Tate's lawyer? Okay maybe WWE's slander suit against the PTC might not be relevant, but the facts that he wasn't watching pro wrestling, had a history of aggression before this happened and even when he was in custody, should be. If I can find sources I might go ahead and expand this article. EDIT: Whoops, forgot to sign in. PHOENIXZERO (talk) 07:57, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Adult or juvenile prison
There's no mention in the article as to whether he went to adult prison or juvenile hall after his convection at 14. Is it that if a juvenile is tried as an adult in the US then he will automatically go to adult prison upon conviction? 83.226.206.82 (talk) 22:34, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Kids in Florida (and AFAIK the rest of the U.S.) go to ADULT jail automatically upon being charged "as adults" -- so of course they go to ADULT prison upon conviction if it includes a prison. Typically there are bans on mixing with ADULT inmates before conviction and some restrictions after conviction, but the institutions are designed for adults, not children; in Florida children as young as 13 were mixed freely with adult inmates until about 2001 when some restrictions were implemented due to newspaper exposes of the abuses suffered by child inmates in Florida's adult prisons. Tate's conviction came soon after these exposes and perhaps partly because of that he was transfered to juvenile prison after several weeks. If I find reference to that I'll add it to the article. Shores of bohemia (talk) 10:28, 30 June 2011 (UTC) "Critics, such as the various groups listed in the Amicus Brief attached to Tate's appeal, assert that convicting preteen children of 1st-degree murder without having to prove these children intended any harm, not to mention serious injury or death, is unacceptable." But he wasn't preteen he was 13? House Tules (talk) 08:43, 28 February 2020 (UTC)HouseTules

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Request for update
I am not a regular Wikipedia editor, but the final line of the article where it states Tate is currently incarcerated at Charlotte is incorrect. According to the FDC website he is at Hamilton C.I. The link is as follows: http://www.dc.state.fl.us/offenderSearch/detail.aspx?Page=Detail&DCNumber=L24475&TypeSearch=AI Can someone with more expertise in editing please fix this? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.220.168.102 (talk) 00:45, 19 June 2021 (UTC)