Talk:Lisowczyks

Pic
Perhaps the image of the rider could be replaced with a similar, but more famous, painting--Rembrandt's "The Polish Rider".


 * Be bold, do so. Or just give us a link to that picture online and I will do it when I have some time. But - are you sure 'The Polish Rider' is the picture of a Lisowczyk rider, not just of an ordinary hussar? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 21:47, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Piotrus, here's a link to the painting. It's clearly a lisowczyk.  I didn't want to post the image myself since I'm not great with the copyright stuff.  Check out the copyright notice at the bottom of this page.  If we can't use that image, then perhaps it's possible to obtain a different image of the same painting? 199.46.198.230 19:54, 25 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Hmmmm, AFAIK if it is sufficiently old, all reproductions fall under the public domain. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:16, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Rembrant could have seen a Lisowczyk, but before we label the pic so we do need a verification. Btw, his pic is *very* similar to Juliusz Kossak's Image:Lisowczyk.jpg. I wonder if Kossak's pic is officialy labeled as inspired by Rembrandt? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:03, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

--- Kossak was not so much *inspired* by Rembrandt - it's a 1:1 direct copy of the picture! [Archon Z, 1 Jan 2006]

Rembrandt's picture is *not* of a Lisowczyk. This has been known for at least 20 years. It's a portrait of Marcjan Aleksander Oginski, made c.1655 when he was studying in Holland. It shows him wearing the typical gear of a Commonwealth cavalryman of the time, and has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the Lisowski Cossacks. In recent articles Zdzislaw Zygulski acknowledges that this is not a Lisowczyk, but states that since the picture is now so fixed in the public consciousness with the the Lisowski Cossacks he at least would prefer to keep calling it Rembrandt's Lisowczyk. In the USA, where the original picture now resides, it is called simply "The Polish Rider", which to my thinking is a far more accurate title than Lisowczyk. [Archon Z, 1 January 2006]

Golden statue

 * where they were impressed by the giant golden statue (possibly a Buddha statue).

I am afraid this is kind of miscommunication. AFAIK there were no golden statues around. On the other hand there is a persistent legend in Siberia about a "golden woman" (zolotaya baba) statue, an pagan idol hidden somewhere by indigenuous Siberian people.

Please clarify or delete the sentence. mikka (t) 18:56, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * That's what my secondary source sais. I don't know what they saw, and most likely nobody does, the primary source being probably some diary or letter. I doubt I will be able to find the primary source anytime soon, though. I will try to finish expanding the article soon, with the sources I have, but I am pretty sure they have nothing more about 'a golden statue'. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 19:40, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Then this phrase is pretty much useless as a source of information. mikka (t) 20:20, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Why? I think it's an interesting trivia, fitting this article. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 21:37, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

B-class review
This article is currently at start/C class, but could be improved to B-class if it had more (inline) citations. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 06:24, 8 May 2012 (UTC)