Talk:List of Fish Hooks episodes

Air dates
MSN shows the the first three episodes airing in the order and on the dates as follows: However, the most recent Disney Channel press release only mentions an "11-minute preview" on September 3, with no indication that the preview will be from two episodes. Nor does it mention any episode airing on September 20. This makes the MSN dates dubious so, for now, I have commented them out to avoid confusion, since the series overview table, which is supported by the press release, says the premiere date is September 24. --AussieLegend (talk) 09:21, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Fish Out of Water - September 3, 2010
 * 2) Bea Stays in the Picture - September 3, 2010
 * 3) Fish Sleepover Party - September 20, 2010

Production codes
There are a number of production codes in this article, but no explanation of where they were sourced from. If sources can't be provided, I intend removing them. --AussieLegend (talk) 02:58, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Date change
Disney on a commercial says the 29th now. Please chnage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.228.90.50 (talk) 03:15, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid your claim does not qualify as a reliable enough to justify changing the date. --AussieLegend (talk) 05:03, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

C'mon Guys
C'mon guys use your common sense. The series airs in segments, not full 30 minute episodes. So Fish Sleepover Party is episode 1a. Fish Sleepover Party/Fish Out of Water is Episode 1. See like Phineas and Ferb. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.165.140.193 (talk) 02:46, 17 February 2011 (UTC)


 * You're right, the episodes are 11-12 minutes long, not 30. That's no excuse for weird and misleading episode numbering. --AussieLegend (talk) 09:53, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, AussieLegend the official statement of Fish Hooks said "The 21-episode series" therefore they are segments not full episodes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Achmednut321 (talk • contribs) 06:28, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Episode numbering

 * The following refers to the numbering system used in this version of the article.

As can be seen above, I've had this discussion before, at another article where pairing episodes (1a/1b, 2a/2b etc) made no sense, and that should be read for some guidance. The episodes are created as individual (stand-alone) episodes, not segments, but paired for broadcast. As with The Penguins of Madagascar, pairs are variable, with episodes being paired with different episodes on different dates. Also as with The Penguins of Madagascar, pairing makes little sense when you look at the broadcast dates:
 * September 3 - 0
 * September 24 - 1a, 1b
 * September 26 - 0, 1a
 * September 30 - 0, 1b
 * October 1 - 2a, 2b
 * October 3 - 2a (this is a different airing on the same day)
 * October 3 - 2b (this is a different airing on the same day)
 * October 8 - 3a, 0
 * October 10 - 3a
 * October 15 - 3b, 1b
 * October 17 - 3b
 * October 22 - 4a, 1b
 * October 24 - 4a
 * October 29 - 4b, 2b
 * October 31 - 4b

The pairing is only valid on 2 of the 15 occasions on which the program aired. The pairing appears even more nonsensical  when you realise that episodes 3a and 3b (Happy Birthfish, Jocktopus & Bea Becomes an Adult Fish) are on different dates, a week apart.

The convention, and a much less confusing method, is to number episodes numerically, based on the date that they first aired, which is how it was before the recent edits, and is what I intend restoring. By all means though, if you can come up with a good reason why the confusing numbering is better, please discuss it here. --AussieLegend (talk) 09:24, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

The Penguins of Madagascar is different, though. If when the season ends it can be paired to 21 episodes. You will be asked to change the numbering to 1a and 1b because pairing episodes does make sense and SpongeBob SquarePants for example has been doing it for years.09:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)Mordecai4444. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mordecai4444 (talk • contribs)


 * To be honest, I don't know what you mean by "it can be paired to 21 episodes". Each episode is 11 minutes long and episodes can, and are, paired with many different episodes so numbering them 1a, 1b etc makes no difference since xa isn't always paired with xb, as the airing schedule clearly shows. --AussieLegend (talk) 10:00, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * It does make since for example Regular Show is aired in 11 minute episodes not segments, but to extend Fish Hooks' first season they did the same except they paired it with a couple episodes before and that is the only one their paired with what I mean is when Season 1 is finished if it can be like: "Fish Sleepover Party/Fish Out of Water" and pair all episodes after and they add up to 21 episodes, then you will change it. Anyways, shows have been doing it for years as well as Fish Hooks. Of course, your too good to even consider it, though.05:58, 23 April 2011 (UTC)Achmednut321 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Achmednut321 (talk • contribs)


 * Only a few shows do it, and it doesn't mean that they're right to do it. Even when episodes are paired, there's no reason to add a and b to the episode number, as these imply the two episodes are the first and second part of an individual episode and that simply isn't correct. It has nothing to do with my too good or even yours. --AussieLegend (talk) 06:43, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Of course, it doesn't. So are you saying that it would be like this: Episode 1: "Fish Sleepover Party/Fish Out of Water" instead of Episode 1a: "Fish Sleepover Party" Episode 1b: "Fish Out of Water"22:26, 23 April 2011 (UTC)Achmednut321 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Achmednut321 (talk • contribs)

Even check here: http://fishhooks.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Fish_Hooks_episodes The wiki of Fish Hooks! They even list them as a or b. But pairing them together will work, too. But I am positive Fish Sleepover Party is not a full episode by itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Achmednut321 (talk • contribs) 22:45, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm saying that the episodes should be listed exactly as they are now with episodes shown individually in the sequence in which they first aired, as per the long established convention. Unless episodes can be shown, using citations from reliable sources, to be multi-part episodes there should be no indication that they are, either by using "a" and "b" in the numbering system or by mentioning it in the episode entry. To do so contravenes Verifiability and No original research. Wikis, such as fishhooks.wikia.com, are not considered to be reliable sources. They are considered to be self-published sources since anybody can edit them and consequently can not be used as sources or to justify anything we do here. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a fansite, and we have to treat content neutrally. --AussieLegend (talk) 04:20, 24 April 2011 (UTC)


 * You're kidding right? It doesn't matter if Fish Hooks Wikia is a editable fansite, because Wikipedia is basically the same thing only it's not a fansite and some pages aren't editable.LocalSents447 (talk) 20:39, 18 September 2011 (UTC)LocalSents447


 * Wikipedia is not a reliable source either. Wikipedia articles can't be used as references. We require verification from reliable third party sources and that's the difference between Wikipedia and the Fish Hooks wikia. Because we require citations, content here is verifiable, while content at the wikia is not. --AussieLegend (talk) 22:41, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Episodes are 22-minutes long.
No "reliable" sources state it, but the "non-reliable", which are actually reliable time from time, state it and are correct. I know for one thing that you would not take TV.com as a reliable sources, but there is a thread on it. http://www.tv.com/shows/fish-hooks/forums/fish-hooks-season-1-episode-titles-and-airdates-96484-3214268/

There is also Nick and More and Toonzone, which probably are just "fansites" to you guys. But here is the correct production order, compared with the airdate order. PRODUCTION ORDER

Season 1

101	Bea Stays in the Picture / Fish Out of Water 102	Fish Sleepover Party / Happy Birthfish, Jocktopus 103	Doris Flores Gorgeous / Underwater Boy 104	Bea Becomes an Adult Fish / Doggonit 105	Fail Fish / Funny Fish 106	Queen Bea / Baldwin the Super Fish 107	Milo Gets a Ninja / Dances with Wolf Fish 108	Hooray for Hamsterwood / The Tale of Sir Oscar Fish 109	Fishing for Compliments: The Albert Class Story / Dropsy! 110	The Dark Side of the Fish / Big Fish 111	Fish Floaters / Dollars and Fish 112	Flying Fish / Legend of the Earth Troll 113	We've Got Fish Spirit 114	Two Clams in Love / Peopleing 115	Pamela Hamster Returns / Parasite Fright 116	Riding in Cars with Fish / Milo's Big Idea 117	Good Morning, Freshwater / Diary of a Lost Fish 118	Run, Oscar, Run / Mascotastrophe 119	Good Times at Pupu Goodtimes / Oscar Makes an Impression 120	Fish Talent Show / Employee Discount 121	Fish School Musical

201    Bea's Commercial / TBA 203    Halloween Haul / TBA

AIR DATE ORDER

Season 1

101A	Sept-3-2010	Bea Stays in the Picture 102A	Sept-24-2010	Fish Sleepover Party 101B	Sept-24-2010	Fish Out of Water 103	Oct-1-2010	Doris Flores Gorgeous / Underwater Boy 102B	Oct-8-2010	Happy Birthfish, Jocktopus 104A	Oct-15-2010	Bea Becomes an Adult Fish 104B	Oct-22-2010	Doggonit 106A	Oct-29-2010	Queen Bea 105A	Nov-5-2010	Fail Fish 105B	Nov-27-2010	Funny Fish 106B	Dec-3-2010	Baldwin the Super Fish 107B	Dec-10-2010	Dances with Wolf Fish 108	Dec-17-2010	Hooray for Hamsterwood / The Tale of Sir Oscar Fish 107A	Jan-7-2011	Milo Gets a Ninja 109B	Jan-21-2011	Dropsy! 109A	Jan-29-2011	Fishing for Compliments: The Albert Class Story 110B	Feb-4-2011	Big Fish 110A	Feb-11-2011	The Dark Side of the Fish 111B	Feb-18-2011	Dollars and Fish 111A	Feb-25-2011	Fish Floaters 112A	Mar-4-2011	Flying Fish 114A	Mar-11-2011	Two Clams in Love 114B	Apr-1-2011	Peopleing 112B	Apr-8-2011	Legend of the Earth Troll 115B	Apr-29-2011	Parasite Fright 115A	May-13-2011	Pamela Hamster Returns 116	Jun-18-2011	Riding in Cars with Fish / Milo's Big Idea 118B	Jun-24-2011	Mascotastrophe 117	Jul-2-2011	Good Morning, Freshwater / Diary of a Lost Fish 113	Jul-8-2011	We've Got Fish Spirit 118A	Aug-12-2011	Run, Oscar, Run 119A	Aug-19-2011	Good Times at Pupu Goodtimes 119B	Aug-26-2011	Oscar Makes an Impression 121	Sept-23-2011	Fish School Musical 120B	Sept-30-2011	Employee Discount

The Fish Hooks Wiki (which one again for this half is a reliable source) states that a fellow named Marekos sent e-mails to Noah Z. Jones and he replied with revealing answers. That Season 2's premiere is "Bea's Commercial" or is at least episode 201a. There is also going to be Halloween and Christmas specials. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LocalSents447 (talk • contribs) 20:36, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Non-reliable sources can't be reliable some of the time. They can be right some of the time but not reliable, which is why we don't accept them as sources. Reliability requires that content be verifiable. We have no idea, and can't confirm, that "Marekos" actually received what he claims to, or whether he's just making it up. --AussieLegend (talk) 22:45, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I knew you were going to reply something like that. I can tell it is a reliable sources. I'm pretty sure "Marekos" isn't lying he is really excited about him replying. Of course, my word wouldn't be taken.98.177.248.168 (talk) 23:52, 18 September 2011 (UTC)LocalSents447


 * I'm afraid that it doesn't meet Wikipedia requirements as a reliable source. It's regarded to be a self-published source. "Anyone can create a personal web page or pay to have a book published, then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published media, such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs, Internet forum postings, and tweets, are largely not acceptable as sources.". --AussieLegend (talk) 03:42, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

AussieLegend, no matter if you believe it or not and you need "reliable sources" those titles are correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.165.130.76 (talk • contribs) 07:57, 14 October 2011‎ (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter if they're correct, it matters if they're verifiable and if they're not verifiable, they're not correct. --AussieLegend (talk) 09:33, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * AussieLegend they're correct and they're verifiable just not "reliable" according to you. These are correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.165.130.76 (talk) 04:25, 22 October 2011 (UTC)


 * It's not me you have to be concerned about. They don't meet Wikipedia's requirements for verifiability or reliable sources, as I've already indicated above, so they can't be used. Sorry, but that's the way it is. --AussieLegend (talk) 13:50, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

HERE IS A "RELIABLE SOURCE" - http://www.disneychannelmedianet.com/DNR/2012/July_DC_Episode_Premieres.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.144.123 (talk) 15:06, 17 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The source has nothing to do with what was being discussed above. --AussieLegend (talk) 15:22, 17 June 2012 (UTC)


 * If you actually looked at the source, it says Fish Hooks episode 212 is "All Fins on Deck / Cattlefish, Ho!" and then lists episodes 208b and 210b. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.181.108.41 (talk) 15:32, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The numbers are production codes, which don't automatically translate to episode numbers. Little Fish Sunshine (2-08B) airs directly before "All Fins on Deck / Cattlefish, Ho!" (2-12) which airs before "Brothers' Day" (2-10B). They have nothing to do with the aired episode length. --AussieLegend (talk) 18:04, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Are you kidding me? That's what I've been trying to prove the whole time! You need to add the production codes so people know the episodes are 22-minutes and each episode counts as 1 whole production wise — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.148.252 (talk) 08:46, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * There's no point adding only a handful of production codes, and production codes don't confirm "episodes are 22-minutes and each episode counts as 1 whole production wise". That's original research, specifically "synthesis of published material that advances a position". --AussieLegend (talk) 10:53, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Fish Hooks season pages
Just to let you know, I'll be starting separate pages for each Fish Hooks season. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brandon J. Marcellus (talk • contribs) 20:32, 26 January 2013‎ (UTC)
 * Oppose No need yet for three articles. Wait for season 3 to be well underway at least. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:59, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose no long engough yet. shows are usually split around when the get past 85 episodes or the page contains alot of other infmoration, that can be usful.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by WP Editor 2012 (talk • contribs) 17:52, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose Article is nowhere near long enough to justify creation of multiple articles. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 01:38, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

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