Talk:List of Third Watch episodes

Dead?
Eh... Since I got the First Season DVD, I'll bring this page up to date on the first season as I watch the episodes... I think that's better than no one doing it. - Mothmanbr 19:07, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I started this page and will work on it more at some point but some help would be great.  I've got several List of Episode pages that I'm slowly fleshing out.  They take a lot of work. - Peregrinefisher 21:05, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't have the DVDs but I'm watching reruns on the french cable. There are somewhere on the middle of the first season. I'll try to help where I can. I also started from the TVTome archived but it seemed to be not authorized. But I still have some useful material, such as the music credits.Lvr 21:05, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * There are links at the bottom of the page to Third Watch episode lists at imdb.com and tv.com if you're trying to find credits. Also, I can add screen shots to entries once they have summaries. - Peregrinefisher 22:57, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Just a question, am I allowed to copy the summary from another website, or must I write my own? sorry for the delay guys, a few problems here. I can add screenshots too, but since I have no experience in uploading images here, I can leave that to you if you wish. - Mothmanbr 07:02, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * One last thing, I'll add the writer/director of the episodes already, while waiting for the reply. I've also linked them, in case someone wants to start an article of them. Plus, it seems that some of them already have a page on wikipedia. - Mothmanbr 07:08, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ThirdWatchS01E02.jpg Is this good enough for the article? Not sure, but something seems wrong with it, so I won't post it yet. - Mothmanbr 07:16, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You have to write the summaries the yourself. You can copy info like Director because it's common knowledge but the summaries have to be created for wikipedia to satisfy the GFDL we use.  Linking to the writers and directors is good but we probably should only link to the first occurrence of each person in each season.  If you can add screenshots that would be great.  The images are little bit trickier because they are copyrighted.  There are a bunch of wikipedians who like to delete Fair Use images (like screenshots) so you have to get the liscensing right or they won't last long.  You can see that someone has already started the procedure for removing Image:ThirdWatchS01E02.jpg on its page.  Basically you want to say where the image comes from and who owns it.  You could use the info for  Image:ThirdWatchS01E01.JPG as a kind of template.  To really make it bulletproof the image should uniquely identify the episode.  My picture of Bosco chasing a suspect isn't ideal.  An image of Carlos meeting Doc for the first time or something else that only happens in the first episode would be best.  If there is a guest star that episode then them interacting with a major character would be a good unique image subject. - Peregrinefisher 17:28, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have to apologize here, I said I would continue this page but I've had almost no free time lately... I'll see if I can get some work done this weekend, and once again, I'm sorry about this. - Mothmanbr 03:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it. I haven't been working on it either.  I've been working on List of Smallville episodes. - Peregrinefisher 03:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Updated
Well i've updated this page so it can look more neater and easier to read. The new list is well organised. Plus i have made some episode pages. ---Belevsquad 08:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Episode notability
Many or all of the existing individual episode pages for appear to fail the notability guidelines for television episodes, and have been tagged accordingly. These articles can be improved through the inclusion of real-world information from reliable sources to assert notability. Overly long plot summaries should be edited, to a maximum length of approximately ten words per minute of screen time. Trivia should be integrated into the body of the article, or removed if it is not directly relevant. Quotes and images should only be used as part of a critical analysis of the episode. You might also consider merging any notable information onto the "List of episodes" or season pages. Otherwise, when these pages come up for review in fourteen days, they may be redirected or merged. If you want any help or further information, then come to WikiProject Television/Episode coverage. Thanks. TTN 13:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree with TTN. It's been more than a year and nothing changed. I added merge tags to all of them. In the next days I'll convert themm to redirects. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:53, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I might support the merge, but I will oppose it unless you add some information about the articles first. Do it without, and I will revert. The "process" mentioned above is an essay, not even a proposed guideline, and I would advise nobody to act on its basis for the time being. --I'll take a look at it there, for who knows--we do need some better way of deciding and I'm open to considering almost anything at this point. That 10 wpm guideline, btw, does not have consensus either. If one wants to treat it as a suggestion, with an acceptable range of variation, that would be another matter, and it might on such a basis have consensus; but I think there would need to be a statement about the relative importance of t he show also. I don't think fair use would be even a question until something like 10x as much. DGG (talk) 02:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I support a merge of these episode articles. DGG's objections notwithstanding, if evidence of real world of significance cannot be adduced for specific episodes, then these should be relocated to the LOE. But port over relevant info (plot synopsis, etc) to the LOE listings. Eusebeus (talk) 04:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

The only real world information there is the episodes' titles, the airdates and the production codes. The only thing we could add as extra in a short summary like in List of My Name Is Earl episodes. Many episodes are red links and I don't it would be possibly to add summaries. The cast is on the main page and all the other is just plot. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I am not opposing a merge. I am opposing an inadequate merge.  The summaries need to be of adequate length--my personal guideline is that if I missed an episode i could find out enough to follow the plot, but more objectively that tends to come to two or three short paragraphs. The existing summaries in the list of episodes are not adequate. It might be useful to expand them, before trying to merge more material into the framework along the same lines. (As for the justification for separate articles,  despite attempts to change it, the NOT PLOT rule remains only that there must be some real world information, as part of larger coverage.  I interpret that as sufficient to know that it is a fiction--there is no rule that the amount of plot information must be minimal, or small, or any particular portion, just that it be concise.    Please note also that this refers to "coverage" not any particular article. That's the only policy--the rest is flexible guidelines about style.)  DGG (talk) 04:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Support a merger after my check of random TW episodes; enough time has passed. Instead of wasting energy into discussions of what adequate plot lengths are, I'd also be fine with copypasting the two-paragraph summaries into two new season articles (TW has run long enough and is popular enough with the audience and reviewers for justify season articles). – sgeureka t•c


 * Support a merger. I concur with sgeureka that the show and seasons thereof are probably notable enough to justify a set of season pages. A reasonable accomodation between terse plot summaries and the need to include enough information to be helpful should be attempted, but I don't think the lack thereof should prevent a merge. If the article needs to be merged, it should be merged.Jo7hs2 (talk) 02:31, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Per this discussion I boldly redirected all episodes to the list article. If DGG still thinks the plot summaries are too short, he is free to go into the article history and retrieve what information he chooses, as is any other editor. I would note that DGG's understanding of the function of plot summaries on Wikipedia is somewhat flawed. Plot summaries are not intended to take the place of watching the episode in question. Indeed, if a plot summary is so detailed that a reader feels that by reading it he has seen the episode in question, the summary is likely a derivative work and thus a copyright violation. Otto4711 (talk) 14:38, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * agreed about copyright. But he will understand the basic plot. Obviously not the details. It is possible to say too much,but two paragraphs does not constitute too much. I've seen this rather late, and I intend to inset material the way Segura said above, which represents the consensus. DGG (talk) 00:08, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion for Episode List Design and Information
Hey, I worked on this a long time ago. I think there should, at least, be a mini-summary of each episode. I designed this based on the ER episode list webpage, but it's just a suggestion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Superrodris89/Sandbox

Just check it out, but when I entered the page today, a lot of the information was lost..maybe this is a good alternative. Anyway, you can contact me on my talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superrodris89 (talk • contribs) 14:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)