Talk:List of all-time NBA win–loss records

Playoff Win-Loss
Check this edit from April 25, 2016, before the final results of each First Round matchup were ever updated. It shows the Miami Heat (for example) as having a 116-89 playoff win-loss. After going 4-3 against the Hornets, the Heat should have a 120-92 win-loss playoff record. I updated the win-loss records at first and that is reflected in this edit. However Babymissfortune keeps updating it in a way that essentially doubles that to an 8-6 value, so for example Babymissfortune will list the Heat's playoff win-loss record as 124-95, instead of 120-92 like it really is. This trend is continued with all the other 15 playoff teams from this season, so I will revert that edit one last time. Please look at the actual values before the Playoffs began and once I updated it on May 1. Thank you. Soulbust (talk) 19:16, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Article's appearance
Hi I reverted your edits after you seemed to restore a version prior to my edits from today. I dont want to engage in an edit war or violate WP:3RR so I'm just taking this to the talk page here.

Your edits seem to be made in good faith, which I assume anyway, so I appreciate your contributions and desire to assist. I mainly really like the additions you've made to the Notes column.

However, other edits are not quite as productive or helpful, unfortunately. For example, when adding the images, we should't overload the article with them. Especially when they can make the article look jarring and unpresentable, such as with how images affect the placement/formatting of the Playoff win-loss table. Image choice also matters. I replaced the the image you added of Anthony Davis in a New Orleans Hornets jersey with the one of him in a Pelicans jersey. I did this because the related caption is about the Pelicans franchise. And yes, I am aware that the franchise used to be called the Hornets, but helping the jersey match up with the caption will help out with clarity for the readers.

Adding the information about the NBA Cup is unnecessary. These games are considered regular season games, and so outlining the entire NBA Cup's format and parameters is out-of-scope and just bloats the article. This is even truer for the information about it that you've included in the lede section, since so much information about it is completely undue there. It just seems cruft-adjacent. A simple line about in the lede will do, however, since these are included in win-loss stats since they are worked into a team's regular seasons schedule. Likewise, info on the NBA Cup Finals not being included in that schedule should be mentioned. But the entire section you've added is again bloating the article as it puts too much undue weight on the tournament.

Your addition of so many pages to the see also section is also bordering on spam since it stretches out the spirit of the section. Not every single topic that is even the slightest bit of tangentially related needs to be included. The articles you placed in the See also line within the sections in the body of the article work well, though. There also seems to be some minor grammatical errors you've made, though these are easily fixable and as such I wouldn't normally bring them up, but in combination with the other issues I brought up, they unfortunately weren't as easy to ignore. And you've also hurt the formatting of the article by reverting my edits (which I noticed you did again, in the middle of me drafting up this talk page discussion).

Please discuss such large changes here.Soulbust (talk) 01:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * pinging It seems this IP editor has reverted your edit as well now. I've already placed a discussion on the talk page of the NBA WikiProject, and requested a page protection increase but it was denied, so I don't know what else to really do to alleviate these disruptive edits aside from having it taken to WP:ANI as per the advice on the page protection increase denial.
 * Also You reverted the IP editor's blanking of the NBA Cup section, which is the only sign I have that maybe this editor has indeed seen any of these talk page discussion posts or my edit summaries. But, I assume there's a chance you haven't seen them, so I've removed them as they are extremely tangential to this list, and the considerable chunk dedicated to them definitely goes into undue weight territory. Soulbust (talk) 15:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Soulbust: I reverted the IP's blanking because they hadn't explained their action in the edit summary. I left a note on the IP's talk page. —Bruce1eetalk 15:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I get that, and I saw that talk page note actually. If you'll check the edit history of the page, you'll see they've done so much more than that without leaving an edit summary. Their edits are largely disruptive and unhelpful for reasons I've mentioned here, and the WikiProject talk page linked above. Soulbust (talk) 15:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * kemba walker and Kobe Bryant should not be combine with Larry Bird and Anthony Davis, that's weird. 2401:E180:8D54:5EAC:E7A0:FEF3:6BA5:9617 (talk) 01:25, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's a multiple image template that helps the Playoffs section not have a huge blank spacing in it. The images still work in the lede, as the lede covers information about the NBA's playoff win-loss records.
 * Unless some of the columns in the Playoffs table get removed, this is the only way I know of to help this problem. The only columns that would make sense to remove are the Titles column (I don't know if we really need that in this listing, though I can understand why some would push back on that, and ultimately I do think it's at least useful information to have at a glance here); or the Division column (could be considered superfluous but we would need to have a discussion about removing that since it'd be a substantial enough deletion).Soulbust (talk) 01:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I see you went ahead and moved it anyway. Think the 4-image formatting in lede still works best, but the formatting of the Kobe/Kemba images in the multiple image template is much better than it was before when they were just floating as regular thumbnail images. Still a sizable blank space present, but definitely better than before. Soulbust (talk) 01:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * should tim duncan and kevin garnett be doing this? 111.254.25.210 (talk) 01:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * We can keep the Duncan and KG images the way they are now since they help provide images down that table, and aren't breaking up the visual flow by spacing the table down. Soulbust (talk) 01:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * damian lillard shouldn not be doing this, right? 111.254.25.210 (talk) 02:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The Damian Lillard image is all good the way it currently is. Soulbust (talk) 02:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * it is ok. 111.254.25.210 (talk) 02:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Cropped use or not use actually kind of 2401:E180:8D54:5EAC:E7A0:FEF3:6BA5:9617 (talk) 04:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Should Larry Bird photo get another one in other website? 2401:E180:8D51:874:A91:2DE9:6233:16D0 (talk) 07:33, 8 July 2024 (UTC)