Talk:List of cruise ships

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Titanic? there are no Ts? gren 05:41, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Titanic was an ocean liner, not a cruise ship; see list of ocean liners. Some qualify as both, but the Titanic predates cruise ships entirely. Stan 06:13, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Deletion?
Should this article be deleted? There is already the cruise ships category, which is more update to date, has correct links, and doesn't need to be updated every time a new cruise ship article is deleted. Splamo 21:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The "lists vs categories" debate has been going on for years, probably has a page about it somewhere. A category can't even be considered a plausible replacement until the list is completely filled-in, since category can't show what's missing. Even then, lists can be supplemented with annotations - in this case, launch date, operator(s), and renamings would be useful annotations not possible with categories. Stan 04:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. That's a lot of articles though...

Splamo 16:11, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Problem with list
One major problem I've found with this list is that while each vessel has one article, the ship can have many names. Here, each name has its own wikilink, which can lead a casual observer to think there are more ships than in reality.

For example, Pacific Sky was known in the past as Sky Princess (MS Sky Princess-redirect), and Fairsky (SS Fairsky-redirect). This means that the ship has three entries in this list, becoming four if someone includes her post-sale name of Sky Wonder.

How do you suggest would be the best way to deal with this? -- saberwyn 12:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I think the new name of the ship should take precedence. The old name link should therefore be pulled from the list and be put in the status/comments section of the new ship name.

"Launch"
The launch date is when the hull hits the water, not when the ship is completed, delivered, or sets sail on its maiden voyage. The launch date is months or years before the latter date. Some external sites (i.e., cruisecritic.com) apparently don't know that, and routinely list expected delivery dates as "launch" dates. This encyclopedia should not make the same mistakes. Kablammo 02:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Outdated

 * the articles data needs to be updated from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_world's_largest_cruise_ships or data moved to and removed to combine into one more informative updated article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.145.182.106 (talk) 21:49, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Why is the QM II on this list?
It, along with the other Marys and Elizabeths, is a liner. What gives? JDG 03:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC) PAGE''' ]] ) 13:34, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It is a ocean liner, not a cruise ship. -- saberwyn 09:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've edited the opening paragraph so it says: "Ocean liners are only included on this list if they also function as cruise ships. See List of ocean liners." Otherwise we'd have to go all the way through the list and decide how to categorise each one. Not a good plan. --194.81.189.20 (talk) 14:34, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've readded the QM2 as she meets your new opening paragraph, as she has been functioning as a cruise ship occasionally, sailing roundtrip voyages from New York stopping in New England and Caribbean ports before returning to the homeport and roundtrips out of London with stops in Brugge or the Med before returning to the homeport. --Ahecht ( [[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK

Big Red Boat III?
Wasn't there a Big Red Boat III? I see a placemarker on Google Earth for it, saying it was scrapped at Alang. Anybody know anything about it? --Ragemanchoo (talk) 08:09, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There was, the ex-Transvaal Castle, S.A. Vaal, Festivale, IslandBreeze. You can read the history here. -- Kjet (talk · contribs) 13:10, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Real-time mapping of cruise ships
Real-time mapping of cruise ship locations worldwide is available at the Sailwx ship location service. Wikipedia article is Sailwx.
 * Note that it is possible to add a link to any cruise ship article that will show the current location of any ship that participates in the Automatic Identification System (AIS) tracking service, as nearly all do. Examples of (non-cruise-ship) Wikipedia articles that do this are CCGS Hudson and the Deepwater Millennium floating drilling platform. Such links could, conceivably, be added into the table on the list of cruise ships to allow individual ship locations to be seen in real-time.  N2e (talk) 15:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Ferries?
Why has someone added ferries to this list? They are not cruise ships there are few ferries that would warrant being here maybe Hurtigruten and Birka vessels? The original list only included cruise ships. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.48.212 (talk) 07:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Aha just seen that these have been added by that kjet. Why can't he comprehend the difference between a ferry and a cruiseship. Please advise why I shouldn't delete ROPAX ferries?, otherwise I will delete them in a few days. No doubt kjet will add them again.

I cannot also comprehend why ocean liners are exluded but ROPAX ferries are included, very bizarre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.48.212 (talk) 07:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

NS 50 Let Pobedy
More information about arctic and antarctic cruise ships here: [ARKTIS 2012], thanks --PjotrMahh1 (talk) 02:34, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * And where are the Arktika class icebreakers as NS 50 Let Pobedy, Yamal (icebreaker) and NS Rossiya (the first cruise to the North Pole).

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What Tonnage type are we talking about?
Gross tonnage, Net tonnage, Gross register tonnage, Net register tonnage or Deadweight tonnage?--Wyn.junior (talk) 15:42, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Began operating
Should the year for "Began operating" be the first year operating as a cruise ship or the most recent year operating under the most recent cruise ship name? I think "Began operating" should be the first year operating under any name as a cruise ship.--Wyn.junior (talk) 16:05, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

One long table needed instead
A full list of List of cruise ships tells the full story with any way to sort. Example: earliest cruise ships, smallest cruise ships, etc.--Wyn.junior (talk) 17:47, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I disagree. That list has hundreds of entries, and it would be impossible to navigate it if they were not broken up into sections by their initial letter. Have you tried scrolling through a single table with hundreds of rows? It's extremely tedious and unhelpful to readers. I do not think that having the ability to sort by year and size could justify that. Besides, as the maintenance template for the page points out, many of the tonnage figures are inaccurate. ― A Poor Historian (talk) 20:07, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I disagree with your disagree. This is a list, and should be accessible as a list, not as a hand-curated collection of lists.  There's no good reason for the alphabetical name (at one point) of a ship to be the primary index, and allow no others.  A person who does wish to find a ship by name can scroll, no problem.  It's not as though that person would have to read each entry; just scan the first letter as they go flying by up the page.  Or they can hit CTRL+F and search.
 * The drawbacks to this broken table format are serious, and break the data-nature of the information. I want to view ships that I might recall from the 1970s, so imagine my surprise when I sorted by date.  Do you think that it is somehow less troublesome to sort 26 individual sections?  And this cannot be worked around by just scrolling like The Price Is Right.  If the tonnage figures are wrong, then they need to be fixed, not used as justification to break a table.
 * Finally, this page is called List of Cruise Ships, not Twenty-Six Lists of Cruise Ships. Haakondahl (talk) 03:55, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Even more finally, per MOS:TABLE, "Splitting lists and tables per summary style is advised against. Among other problems, arbitrarily splitting a wikitable effectively disables the powerful and useful sorting feature from working across the entire table." Haakondahl (talk) 04:29, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorting functionality useless
I sorted on date, and imagine my surprise when I find I have only sorted the A ships. I have to say the current offer "you can sort the table" is actively misleading.

Nothing wrong with offering one table per letter of the alphabet as long as it isn't made at the expense of a single sortable table.

This page urgently needs 1) all tables joined into one 2) if someone really needs it: split out all 26 current tables onto subpages (maybe one for ABC, one for DEF etc)

Of course, the best option would be to retain the current setup as the single data source (although on subpages), and then use wiki/html voodoo somehow to offer a dynamically created master table (here at List of cruise ships).

But this last wish should not be used to justify doing nothing. Again, we urgently need a master list where table sorting functions are useful instead of actively misleading. CapnZapp (talk) 11:31, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Azamara Onward missing
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azamara_Onward Azamara Onward in Porto Venere, 2022 History Name 1999–2002: R Three 2002–2021: Pacific Princess 2021–2022: P Prince 2022–present: Azamara Onward Owner 1999–2001: Renaissance Cruises 2002–2021: Princess Cruises Operator 1999–2001: Renaissance Cruises 2001–2002: laid up 2002–2021: Princess Cruises 2002–2007 P&O Cruises Australia 2022–present: Azamara Cruises 2604:3D08:4F7D:400:5835:46D0:1461:FE5F (talk) 18:55, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm going to add images.
As I am doing with the Ocean Liner list, I am going to add images over the course of a long time. IonlyPlayz2 (talk) 14:37, 4 April 2024 (UTC)


 * also gonna add a ship IonlyPlayz2 (talk) 15:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC)