Talk:List of koryū schools of martial arts

As a seperate list I am more comfortable with the red links even though I prefer them gone. Since it is a partial list anyway it seems pointless to include names withou further information. Also by not having the red links we can see quickly if someone writes a new page (assmuming they add it in). Opinions please.Peter Rehse 02:15, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It seems to me that the purpose of a list not necessarily related to the ability to link from it. That said, I don't like seeing piles of red links any more than anyone else.  I would rather see them get merely "de-linked" than deleted entirely.  If future editors want to put the double brackets back in when they are ready to create a page, then they can, but in the mean time everyone else can use the list as a tool to see if a particular school is koryu or not.Bradford44 19:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I've been adding stubs to several of those articles in the Koryu-list and I'm willing to keep adding more stubs. Assuming I can find enough sources for the many koryu. Fred26 16:48, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Fred - could you also make sure that martialart-stub tags are added on the main page and martialartsproject|class=stub on the talk pagesPeter Rehse 00:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Roger that. I'll get on it tonight. Fred26 09:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Koryu according to who?
It seems this list should define whose definition of koryu is used. // habj 17:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I wouldnt mind a clarification either. Toyama ryu is listed as "koryu", though it was created in 1925. Even kory.com lists it as a koryu. Fred26 17:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

The article states it was created in 1925 which is accurate to the best of my knowledge. We gave a definition at the top for Koryu which again, as far as I know, is the most accepted definition. I removed Toyama-ryu (we can always put it back with new information) to avoid confusion. I put a reference for the definition - perhaps we can find a better one - but this required a change in the definition itself which I also took care of.Peter Rehse 05:02, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, according to Nihon Kobudo Kyokai, Hontai Yoshin Ryu is an authentic koryu. Kukishin Ryu is being practised as part of HYR since beginning of 18:th century. Bujinkan, which is not acknowledged as koryu (again, according to NKK) claims heritage from both Kukishinden Ryu (equals Kukishin Ryu) and Takagi Yoshin Ryu, which is the same school as HYR. I am thereby rather surprised to find both Takagi Yoshin Ryu and Kukishinden Ryu listed here along with Hontai Yoshin Ryu. My suggestion is that you state in the head paragraph that "underneath are listed koryu schools acknowledged by Nihon Kobudo Kyokai", or at least decide which line to support. (My oppinions are not exactly neutral.) /Olle Borg, head of Hontai Yoshin Ryu in Sweden.


 * Hey dude :-). We (swedish people) are starting to expand the kobudo/koryu article and related articles over at Swedish Wikipedia. If yer part of HYR then perhaps you could make entries in the Swedish section as well? Check out the Kobudo talk-page on Swedish Wiki to get an idea. Assuming you haven't done that already. Peace Fred26 10:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey dude yourself. Guess who wrote the article... ;-) /Olle "obg" Borg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.213.87.193 (talk) 14:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC).

Still it does not seem to be indicated who decides what is "koryou" Is anybody really doing anything in a really traditional fashion and how is that actually proven? That is an interesting question? How do you prove that you are doing things in a way that was done so long ago without mayor alterations? weren't these arts meant to be lethal? how many people get killed today? --186.26.113.114 (talk) 03:09, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Double check that the ryu has an article
I just updated the dead links of 5 ryu that already had an article, just not under the name presented in this koryu-list. I think we can afford to be on our guard for new articles that might not be created under the same name as in the list. Fred26 18:50, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

When adding ryu to the list
Greetings. Just a general guide for putting a ryu on the list.


 * Alphabetical order please.
 * Always double-check that the ryu's article-link is correct. Red links are allowed up to a point, but double-check that there isnt an existing article for it or we might start creating duplicate articles.
 * Do not put the name of the art after the schools name. For instance, dont put up Kashima Shinto-ryu Kenjutsu but simply Kashima Shinto-ryu under the aproperiate section of the article. The exception is when posting a ryu in the Various weaponry.

Note 1: Try to place the ryu in the correct specalized category though it might not always be easy. For instance, that Shinto Muso-ryu is a dedicated staff-art is correct eventhough there are other weapons taught within the system. There might be some ryu that does not see itself as specalized in one specfic art. As an example: Yagyu Shingan-ryu main focus is desribed as unarmoured/armoured-grappling, but they also have kenjutsu, bojutsu (etc), so there is room for error when placing it in a category. (though in Yagyu Shingan-ryus case I do know they put emphasize on jujutsu but it was just an example). Extra efforts should be made to find out how the ryu itself describes itself so we can put it in a proper category.

Note 2: Very large systems, such as Katori Shinto-ryu and Tatsumi-ryu, are called "Comprehensive systems" for lack of better terms. However, though KSR and Tatsumi are obviously qualified for comprehensive status, I'm honestly not sure what parameters to use when judging the other arts unless they have at least as much as KSR and Tatsumi-ryu. Please keep this in mind when adding a ryu to the Comprehensive Systems-list.

Note 3: Ninjutsu/Ninpo systems. There is still debate wether or not (some) of these old systems are Koryu in the strictest sense of the word. I'm gonna experiment with a special Ninpo/Ninjutsu section of this article created specifically for ryu that focuses on the above-mentioned arts. Please note this does not include ryu that include Ninpo/ninjutsu as ONE of its arts.

Note 4: Muso Shinden-ryu ís a school of Iaido created in the 20th century. However, MSR is an amalgation of several koryu schools put together into one system by a fully qualified koryu-practitioner, namely Nakayama Hakudo. More specifically: kata-series from various ryu were taken and incorporated into what would become MSR. For this reason, Muso Shinden-ryu is on the list although going by koryu year-standards it was founded post 1876 and thus a gendai (modern) martial art.

Thats about all I think.

Fred26 10:18, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Excess Citations needed tags
I just cleaned house. These tags were not getting filled and are just ugly. The List contains only articles which presumably have the appropriate references.Peter Rehse (talk) 08:02, 10 July 2012 (UTC)