Talk:Little Budworth

Assessment Report
Peter I. Vardy 09:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Article needs to be massively expanded using WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements as a guide.
 * 2) It should make use of sections, using WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements as a guide.
 * 3) Infobox to be added (use Template:Infobox UK place.)
 * 4) Photos need to be added.
 * 5) References and Citations are crucial for wikipedia, and so these must be added as the article is expanded. Make sure that as many as possible are "in-line" citations.(See WP:References, WP:V, and WP:CITE for guidance.)

Dedication of church
I note that this article gives the dedication to St Mary, although all the contemporary sources I have find give the dedication to St Peter. I have written a separate article on St Peter's Church, Little Budworth which rather conflicts with this article. Inline citations in this article (Little Budworth) and amendments and corrections (with citations) to St Peter's Church, Little Budworth would be welcomed. Peter I. Vardy 17:01, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Correction to Grosvenor Grant
This article states that "Between 1153 and 1160 the manor [of Little Budworth] was granted by the Third Earl of Chester to Robert le Grosvenor ..."

First, note that the Earl of Chester from 1153-1181 was Hugh de Kevelioc, 5th Earl of Chester, and not the 3rd Earl. See also the Wikipedia article titled "Hugh de Kevelioc, 5th Earl of Chester", and the article "Earl of Chester".

Also, the dates given for the grant of Budworth could be questionable. The charter noted in the following source will hopefully show that this grant was more likely to have been made around 1162-1173:

1) Geoffrey Barraclough, ed., "Record Society of Lancashire and Cheshire, Vol. CXXVI – Charters of the Anglo-Norman Earls of Chester, c. 1071-1237", (Gloucester: 1988), Charter #163, pp. 168-169, 394-395.

This article's earlier dating of 1153-1160 would seem consistent with Ormerod:

2) George Ormerod, "History of the County Palatine and City of Chester", Vol. 3, (London: Lackington, Hughes, Harding, Mavor, and Jones, 1819), p. 83.

in which source he refers to: "Robert Grosvenor, grantee of a forestership in Mara and Mondrem from Hugh Keveliok, in or shortly before 1160 ..."

However, the following source:

3) "The Ancestor", Vol. 1 (April 1902), p. 178.

notes that: "Ormerod originally fixed the date as before 1160, in the belief that the first witness died that year; but finding that he had misread Brooke, withdrew that date in a subsequent note." I have not been able to locate Ormerod's correctional note, but this is indicates that the dating of 1153-1160 was probably too early.

Given that Ormerod is said to have recanted on his dating, and considering the original charter noted in source (1) above, it seems that the dates should probably be changed to the period of about 1162-1173. However, I concede the possibility that there may also have been an earlier grant, but of this I have no knowledge, and can find no source whatsoever to support such claims.

G3NCR42Y (talk) 11:56, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

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